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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 02:25 PM
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Hey guys..Tried doing a search for my question on the RGRs, but couldn't find anything.
Just wondering if I would have problems if I picked up the RGRs and threw them on a Cooper with H-sport springs. I noticed that the offset for those are 38mm. From what I've done research on, Coopers with a lowered suspension should use wheels with an offset of 42-48mm.
Any input guys?????
 
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Old Jun 22, 2004 | 06:26 AM
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rub?

The tire size plays a big roll. I'd sugest doing the dremel work prior to RGR instalation. Its the rounding of the edges on the rear bumber bracket's leading edges.

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Originally Posted by Panganiban
Hey guys..Tried doing a search for my question on the RGRs, but couldn't find anything.
Just wondering if I would have problems if I picked up the RGRs and threw them on a Cooper with H-sport springs. I noticed that the offset for those are 38mm. From what I've done research on, Coopers with a lowered suspension should use wheels with an offset of 42-48mm.
Any input guys?????
 
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Old Jun 22, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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Finding the right tires.

Originally Posted by Panganiban
Hey guys..Tried doing a search for my question on the RGRs, but couldn't find anything.
Just wondering if I would have problems if I picked up the RGRs and threw them on a Cooper with H-sport springs. I noticed that the offset for those are 38mm. From what I've done research on, Coopers with a lowered suspension should use wheels with an offset of 42-48mm.
Any input guys?????
Give us more specifics on your idea of using BBS RGRs.
The silver finish ones are on backorder from tirerack.
They are 17x7" rims for $405 each +38mm offset which is good for stock MINI suspensions in MC and MCS but risk rubbing the inner wheel wells esp in the rear with lowered springs. Weight is 16.5 pounds each rim.

These are strong 1 piece fully forged rims that are great looking


These bright satin silver paint finish ones are in stock

On option is to use these rims and try to find a tire with rounded shoulders and be prepare to trim the wheel arches as needed with a dremmel tool.
Don't get the Yokohama ES100s since they have a square shoulder and will rub.

Another option is to get some other rim with offset +42mm or more-
There are some at edgeracing.com of similar design.

If you really like the BBS look and don't mind other rim sizes then consider the BBS RGF in 15x7" (16x7" has offset of +35 mm so no help there)

1 piece fully forged (strong and light- only 10.6 pounds) takes 195/60-15 but you can also consider 205/55-15 or even 205/50-15 since this is a 7" rim.
Offset is +42mm so you don't have to worry about rubbing and get any tire you want and the price is better at $308 per rim.
However they are 15" and not 17" rims but they are much lighter by 6 pounds each and the tire sizes are pretty good.

Just some ideas.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 10:46 PM
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Did you ever get these installed?

I have the RGRs on my MCS (stock suspension), and I'm thinking about lowering it, but I am concerned about rubbing in the back.

I'd appreciate your input on this.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jkagan
Did you ever get these installed?

I have the RGRs on my MCS (stock suspension), and I'm thinking about lowering it, but I am concerned about rubbing in the back.

I'd appreciate your input on this.
Panganiban got Motegi 17x7" rims and Falken Ziex ZE-512 tires in 205/45-17


Here's a picture with stock suspension. He was planning on H-sport springs later.

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jkagan,
What size RGRs do you have (17"?) and what tires/size?
What springs are you going to lower your MINI with? Most times with springs you'll need about +42mm to 48mm offset for no rubbing but it may depend on your tires.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2004 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jkagan
Did you ever get these installed?

I have the RGRs on my MCS (stock suspension), and I'm thinking about lowering it, but I am concerned about rubbing in the back.

I'd appreciate your input on this.
Hey Kagan,
I didn't end up going with the RGRs...As Minihune stated, I got the Motegis. Have M7 springs and they haven't scraped. The Motegis are 17x7 with an offset of 42.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2004 | 08:03 PM
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My RGRs are 17s, and they're wearing the Yoko AV ES 100s 205/45/17. The offset is 38, I think.

I was thinking that the m7 springs might be too aggressive, and might rub, but the H-sports, with a 1" drop look like they should do fine. As I said, though, I would appreciate any input on this before I do anything I'll regret.

Thanks.
 
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Old Aug 1, 2004 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jkagan
My RGRs are 17s, and they're wearing the Yoko AV ES 100s 205/45/17. The offset is 38, I think.

I was thinking that the m7 springs might be too aggressive, and might rub, but the H-sports, with a 1" drop look like they should do fine. As I said, though, I would appreciate any input on this before I do anything I'll regret.

Thanks.
jkagan,

If you had the same wheels and tires with 215/45-17 and H-sports I would say there is a high chance of rubbing in the rear with four people in the MINI due to the square shoulder of the ES100 tires. No rubbing with two people.

With the 205/45-17 you might do OK with the 38mm offset but it might be close. You might check with Alex@tirerack.com just to be sure since he does sell the ES100 and knows about wheels with +38mm offset.

If it does work for you then stick to 205/45-17 or 215/40-17 size tires or choose a tire with a more rounded shoulder just to be safe.
 
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Old Aug 1, 2004 | 09:04 AM
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I was looking at the RGR's for a while before I decided to go 16's on SSR.

With the RGR's offset, I was thinking of using ParadaSpec2's in 205/45/17
size. but considering I could get better grip off of the GS-D3's in another
size, I went with a wheel with less aggressive offset.

You can dremel the rear fender to clear the rubbing (if you get wider tires),
but the offset imho is too aggressive for this car when used with wider
tires. You will distort the suspension geometry and end up with tramlining
(btw ES100's are known for this problem) or even torque steer.

If you want the mesh type look just for cosmetics, you can find wheels
that are fraction of the price (even the ASA's) with proper offset and
still look good on your car. Since I have R90's in 17, whenever Im in
the mood for some BBS fun, I just swap those back on...but Ive yet to
have the urge since my Comps have been on. :smile: hehe...
 
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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
I was looking at the RGR's for a while before I decided to go 16's on SSR.

With the RGR's offset, I was thinking of using ParadaSpec2's in 205/45/17
size. but considering I could get better grip off of the GS-D3's in another
size, I went with a wheel with less aggressive offset.

You can dremel the rear fender to clear the rubbing (if you get wider tires),
but the offset imho is too aggressive for this car when used with wider
tires. You will distort the suspension geometry and end up with tramlining
(btw ES100's are known for this problem) or even torque steer.

If you want the mesh type look just for cosmetics, you can find wheels
that are fraction of the price (even the ASA's) with proper offset and
still look good on your car. Since I have R90's in 17, whenever Im in
the mood for some BBS fun, I just swap those back on...but Ive yet to
have the urge since my Comps have been on. :smile: hehe...
I actually also looked at the SSRs, mostly because of the weight savings, but I ultimately decided on the RGRs because of the combination of weight, strength, and styling. The big (obvious) negative is the cost - anytime I find something that seems perfect, it always seems to be the most expensive thing around. Luckily, I found a dealer who specializes in Porsche wheels, so he had a set sitting around that I got a great deal on.

I may try the ParadeSpec2s when my ES100s are done, but I've heard that they are not as good a tire and use an older compound. I've only had good experiences with the aggressive offset - VERY nice handling (plus better accelaration and braking because of the weight savings). I haven't experienced any tramlining issues.

It looks like I can get a 1" drop on all corners without a problem, so I'm leaning toward the H-sport springs. With a less agressive offset I'd go with a more agressive drop. It's all just trade-offs I guess . . . .
 
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Old Aug 2, 2004 | 10:05 AM
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>Luckily, I found a dealer who specializes in Porsche wheels, so he had a set sitting around that I got a great deal on.



jkagan- you are one lucky man!!!
 
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