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Old Oct 7, 2013 | 12:38 PM
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Whole crossover coupe market in trouble

http://jalopnik.com/turns-out-no-one...ore-1441985970

I wonder how long Mini will keep the Paceman. These coupe crossovers must be cheap to make since they are just iterative of a 4-door, but the public just isn't biting, with any brand.

Here in SoCal, I've only seen one Paceman in the wild since April when I started paying attention. I see 3-4 Countrymans a day, and dozens of R5x models.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2013 | 09:33 AM
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i dont listen to a single word jalopnik says....they have a hatred of the paceman period so anything they can do to bash it they will...and actually looking at the mini sales numbers...sales of the paceman are starting to pick up...i know quite a few people who are ditching their countryman and even hardtops for a paceman...


and for those who are relatively new to the MINI world i remember 2-3 yrs after MINIs launch it was still a rare site to see one...lets not forget the countryman didnt have stellar numbers right out of the gate...it took alot of marketing and advertising to get the word out
 
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Old Oct 8, 2013 | 01:50 PM
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That is the genetic fallacy.

Jalopnik isn't a Paceman fan to be sure, but this isn't a Paceman article. It spent 99% of its time on other crossover coupes, all of which are in trouble in the market.

I wouldn't call 400 units a month picking up. Don't forget in July/August Mini/BMW started letting employees lease the Paceman for dirt cheap.

And you are wrong on the Countryman sales figures. Dec 2010 it sold 575 the first month, more than the Paceman has done in any month. By March 2011, it never dipped below 1,200 other than a 642 unit glitch in August 2011 which was likely production downtime. So, the Countryman got off to a rip-roaring start compared to the Paceman.

This isn't a slam on the Paceman. It is more to say the whole segment isn't that popular, and carmakers are dropping them. People seem to either want a 4-door crossover, or a 2 door sports/sporty car, not a combo of the two.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2013 | 04:13 PM
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I don't care... I got my Paceman, and it is just as I expected and more. Stats and sales figures don't bother me. It might as well be the only Paceman in my side of town. Even better!
 
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 08:39 AM
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to me this seems like someone coming in saying...hey your car isnt popular but mine is...and again...jalopnik has an outright hatred of the paceman...you could tell from their review right off the bat they hated it and you can almost taste the venom in the article...

and if you want to be technical...the Paceman is the one that should have born the Countryman name as the paceman is more toward the original than the 4 door
 
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 09:16 AM
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Agree with Tata, I don't think of the Paceman as a crossover, more a modern more practical take on my 1987 16V GTi, it's just a bigger AWD hatch, in that category it's got few cars that are similar, a Golf R perhaps. THe coupe makes it sportier than the Subaru's ad the countryman. I get that it's not for everyone but I really love mine, it is exactly what I wanted, and from the first time I Saw the photos of it at the Detroit Auto Show, I said "That's the car I want to get".
 
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gremlin
Agree with Tata, I don't think of the Paceman as a crossover, more a modern more practical take on my 1987 16V GTi, it's just a bigger AWD hatch, in that category it's got few cars that are similar, a Golf R perhaps. THe coupe makes it sportier than the Subaru's ad the countryman. I get that it's not for everyone but I really love mine, it is exactly what I wanted, and from the first time I Saw the photos of it at the Detroit Auto Show, I said "That's the car I want to get".
I agree. I just picked up my paceman and love it. I came from a Nissan 370Z which is a different breed of cars but the paceman offered practicality which makes me happy, but sports mode and 6mt with awd which makes me ecstatic. The "cross-over" isn't a dying breed. However I classify the Paceman as a coupe through and through by the way it rides and sits.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 02:47 PM
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Whether or not you like the Paceman wont make any difference if BMW cant sell enough of them to make it worthwhile continuing with the car. Here's to hoping they do!
 
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 02:58 PM
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Whether or not you like the Paceman wont make any difference if BMW cant sell enough of them to make it worthwhile continuing with the car. Here's to hoping they do!
Again, I don't care. I got mine

They might as well stop making it for X-mas... I have one to drive for at least next 4 years.
The whole idea of this car is something I wanted as a kid. Now, it's here. I am enjoying it and not looking at sales figures. And for all haters out there: you don't know what you missing. And few of my friends from local MINi scene were shaking Their heads in disbelief that I gave up my "done up" Clubman S for this... But, I have no regrets! Especially after the last trip for work where I had to drive over some crop fields in order to get to where I was going (mud, dust, dirt holes and all...). I love this Paceman
 
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 05:25 PM
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from the first time I Saw the photos of it at the Detroit Auto Show, I said "That's the car I want to get".
I also saw photos of the pre-production car and decided that's what I wanted. I ordered mine in January before ever seeing one in person and love it. I traded my '05 MCS that I also ordered new. To me it's just a scaled-up MCS hardtop. Not having any children, I've never wanted a car with 4 doors but prefer the extra space of a hatchback compared to a true sports car (I've reviously owned a 280Z, 300ZX twin turbo, corvette, MR2). I don't think of it as a crossover, but I sometimes compare it to a smaller version of the old Chevy Nomad.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2013 | 06:41 PM
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So...this means I can pick up an M sport X6 for cheap?
 
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