anyone use camber plates notice anymore significant wear in their tires than usual?

i want to get camber plates but am just a little concerned about inner shoulder wear. i really dont feel like rotating tires often, as i would have to dismount them off the rim then mount them on the other side.

any one feel like they would need more camber than whats given from the fixed plates? IE ones give -1.25* and on WMW site if you have lowering springs it will give more. with the swift springs im getting im not sure how much "more" it will give me because it only lowers the front by like .5 inches.

i would like to get adjustable ones but dont want to spend the cash and they also dont have a slot in the middle so that i could adjust the damper if i needed to.

 

If you're more concerned about tire wear than absolute cornering capability, then skip the camber plates. With a 0.5" drop, your camber will still be within spec and your tires should wear evenly.
If you ended up dropping the suspension lower, then camber plates would be a good idea to help reduce the camber to help save the tires.

 

no im not too concerned with tire ware i just wanted to make sure it wasnt like a crazy amount. and if anyone felt that more neg camber would be necicary , more than the -1.25 the IE plates give

 

I lowered my 05s not sure how much exactly but I am getting some pretty bad wear on my tires. I took it to tire discounters to have them realine and adjust toe and camber. From what I found on toe and camber specs they told the they maxed out my stock camber bolts and by there print out the toe was pretty close but the camber was not close to the specs I got off here. Its been a few months so i cant really tell if it has helped much yet. But if i were you I would look into it. I was told that I can buy just camber bolts and not have to mess with the plates and all that. GOOD LUCK!

 

The quick and easy answer is:
Yes you want IE fixed camber plates.

The Good:
Larger rubber bushing, better than stock.
Not noisy like adjustable plates.
Better directional stability.
Better road feel.

The Bad:
The inside edge of the tire wears a bit faster than the outside.
On my car a 9,750 mile cross country trip the tire wear difference was 1/32,
or not enough to matter.

Hope this helps...

 

good to know that the tire wear is so minimal, i thought it was gonna be crazy.

 

how much did you lower your car? just check and swifts only do .7" font and .5" rear dont think the much of a drop could possible make a big diffrence in camber

 

I had the IE fixed plates on JCW springs (0.5" lowering), and had about -1.8 or -1.9 camber in the front if I remember right. These were nice (I had them about 6 years / 35k miles), and definitely help with cornering. From what I've read on NAM, if you do a lot of twisties, more negative camber up front will actually help *save* tire wear (i.e. you won't wear the outsides as much), but I'm sure it's opposite if you're mostly on freeways.

I just pulled out my IE fixed plates a few days ago, as I moved to coilovers and needed adjustable plates to keep my front camber from going past -2 deg... I'll probably be putting my IE plates up for sale shortly for anyone who might be interested. FWIW, I'll note that my new setup (ST coilovers + SPC adjustable plates) is much firmer than my old one. So I think the IE fixed plates do help with the ride.

 

You might be a little confused with the camber change from lowering. In the rear of the car lowering makes the camber go more negative. In the front lowering the car makes the camber go more positive. Camber plates are a great investment especially if you do any auto-x or track driving. -1.25 degrees of camber you won't notice a difference in tire wear. Just make sure your toe is set properly as that will eat tires pretty quickly.

We run -2.5 degrees with the Vorshlag camber plates. If we could get more I'd take it. However it's not really recommended for a daily driven car.

 

I love my IE fixed plates. I think I ended up around -1.7 up front...it's not excessive wear since I have my toe at zero. Toe kills tires.

The camber is very nice, especially when running stickier tires.

- Andy

 

When my mini was basicly stock except H-Sport lowering springs I noticed more inner wear on the rear tires then the fronts as they get to turn in both directions and the rears are just along for the ride. Of course rotating will help this. Once I went to coilovers with the adjustable camber plates and added the rear adjustable rear control arms I now have much better handleing yet better tire wear then when on stock stuff with the the lowering springs.. Alot depends on what you want out of the car, and how you drive it etc.. I do flip my tires over once the inside get worn good so I can then rotate them right to left..

 

-3.1 up front for me.

 

what should be the ideal camber and toe if you have a fixed camber plate in the front (i assume it would be 0 toe) and for the rear? i just had an alignment yesterday because i had a chance to put my hsport rear camber arm. in the computer of the shop i chose to have the alignment of a jcw sport suspension.

my alignment now is driver side front -1.5 camber and other side is -1.8 camber (with a ie fixed camber plate) my toe is +0.15 (or might be negative but within the spec of a jcw sport suspension) then my rear we put -2.10 on both sides and +0.17 toe if i'm not mistaken is that ok? or should i change the toe to 0 in front and rear? thanks

 

IMO that's too much rear camber...I run closer to -1.5. Assuming you're not running ultra sticky tires I'd go with something in that range. That's a little more toe than I would like too.

- Andrew

 

i put the 25.5mm hsport rear sway bar in middle setting.

 

Agreed. Too much rear camber is just going to make the car understeer.