hi there... i'm new to mini scene.

what is stock motor capable of ??
will the standard turbo be able to push 250 brakes ??
if not what is needed to be done ??

thanks for all the answers.

 

No one really has seen what this motor is capable of...

The stock turbo might push 250 bhp...with a tune, ic, full exhaust and meth kit. But who cares about bhp...i think a lot of us would want to see 250 wheel horsepower. It is going to take a turbo upgrade to reach that. Few people have done that though, and if they have, they either are in Europe and don't have MAF based cars and if they are in the US they are completely illiterate in every post they write.

 

the car is 2007 cooper S EU version.

if there is a need to change a turbo to see that figures, what to go for ??

will the internals be all fine with that kind of power gains ??

so on a stock car :
Remap
ATP GT28RS turbo kit
IC
Exhaust

and thats it ??

 

As I said before, no one has seen what the internals of this motor can take. If they have, they have not posted on here about it.

And you probably won't need a GT28RS to get to the power level u want. In my opinion the 28RS is too big for our tiny motor. Try a 25 or some sort of K03 hybrid.

 

well yeah I would - but I want as clean install as possible.
havent found any bolt on turbo kits - to replace the stock one - any others than GT28....... any links ??

thanks

 

um... i'm currently making 234 bhp on my car with just bolt ons and no tune... and typically a tune adds around 20-30 whp.... so i'd have to say 250bhp is easy.... will you make 250whp? not sure... i know alta had around that with the GT2560R turbo they were fooling around with, not to mention the JCW MINI with bolt ons and a tune makes 240whp

 

ok - the last question would be - is there any GT2560R turbo kit 4 sale ??

i couldnt find any :(:(

thanks

 

62 hp more with no tune. That is fantastic. Any dynos that you can share?

 

250bhp isn't an issue (see in sig) I'd like to see the dyno graph with the 62hp with no tune also. Can you imagine a tune on that?

Mark

 

is there an emoticon for "you're smoking crack" ?
Adding up all the claimed hp gains of your aftermarket parts still wouldn't give you those sort of numbers.
250ft/lbs is quite attainable, but if you're chasing peak hp, the r53 might be more for you.

 

Don't forget folks that he quoted BHP not WHP. HUGE difference.

his 234 bhp = ~200 whp (depending on the guessed correction factor used) which is less than many stock jcws.

 

Good luck with that...lol.

No way....


Mark

 

http://www.altaperformance.com/pages/show/85

last two graphs, have fun.... Also in case everyone forgets hp really isn't the name of the game with minis... Handling is... That's y the orrigional mini with 96 some hp could kick a 350 hp mustang's @$$... Power is nice however, but when ure pushing 280 300 whp on a fwd car it starts becoming unmaganable... IMHO. Also IMHO I think dynos are for tuning purposes and making each part work the best it can to get the most power to the road, not bragging rights for power, just because all dynos will show different power on the same car. But orangcrush... Check out eu's p-torque... They make a claimed 250whp with a turboback and a tune and u know jan will give u the most out of ur car with his tunes...

 

I sure wish I knew what was different between Jan's tune and P Torques. The best I can figure is all the emission crap we have that they don't have on the other side of the pond. (speculating... don't really know)

I'd sure like to know....


Mark

 

Well lets see. Including bolt-ons, you can crack the motor open do out the internals, and if you want add a new turbo. But drop weight you start seeing useable power start to increase with every pound you drop.

 

i'm not quite sure what is it across the pond... i'm throwing a guess that you're most likely right about the emissions difference... maybe they're just nicer because of the gas costing more over there :P...

 

http://p-torque.co.uk/

there's P-Torque's page... half way down they claim 230bhp with a milltec exhaust and tune (i'm guessing turboback) and a 250bhp for jcw minis with JUST software update... (lucky (@()*ONWDF{POINQWJNOIN)

now i've talked to ptorque asking for dynos and some kind of proof of their claim for these numbers, but to no avail. they seem to have an anti-american answering campaign going on at their shop... that's why i stick to the basics of proven tuning here like Jan, and hopefully alta's new ECU reflash tool will be close to what Jan can do (but typically no off the shelf tuner box is like a guy who really knows what he's doing)

 

A few thoughts....

230 bhp.. that's not very impressive. What I mean, is it's not overly what we get here. I thought they were quite a bit more than that. I swear I read someone that was putting out 264whp from their package.

Of course, now we're lucky enough now to have Jan able to tune our cars.

Secondly, I emailed them many times before I ever talked to RMW and they responded everytime. (of course, I'm a lot cooler... )

LOL, seriously, they're probably just busy. They answered a few emails and were very friendly.

 

a lot of dyno's will guess-timate powertrain loss anywhere from 10-15%, that easily bumps RMW's WHP up into/above the average BHP of these other European tunes. Keep in mind they often use PS instead of HP which is very close/similar, but also a couple percent higher.
The European cars don't have a second cat, nor do they have the MAF, but they also don't come standard with the our better exhaust/turbo manifold or our MCS/JCW style airbox.

 

Also you need to check the octane level. Cause a lot of Japanese cars run higher hps then their American counter part cause Japan's has on octane lvl of 100. So it could be that. Or it could be the fact that all American versions of cars including the ones made here just suck.

 

Japanese cars get rated in PS no HP, looks the same, but it's different (basically metric HP).
250PS would be 246HP
http://www.statman.info/conversions/power.html

Also Japan, like many other countries doesn't rate their octane in the same way as we do here. US & Canada use the average (RON + MON)/2, but the 100 is still better than the best we can get here.
chow on this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

 

Yes I know that they rate their octane differently but it is still higher then here in the States. But anyway 250hp is not hard in this car. You are just going to have to be creative and not consentrate on bolt ons and off the shelf parts.

 

ok guys - BIG THANKS 4 all the replies.

i'll sort out a new exhaust system/ better breathing and a good tune and we will see where it gets.

hopefully should reach the 240 bhp level

 

Good luck. Hopefully it works

 

It is a commonly known fact that Euro tuners use BHP and not WHP. I think that puts ptorque and rmw in the same range.

Further more as demonstrated by the varying results from Jans tunes on similar vehicles I believe it is imposable to judge a tuner better or worst as long as they are in the same general range.