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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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Question before I order, brakes

Is there anything else I would need besides rotors and pads for a front brake change? Do I need to change the sensors?
Plan on going with oem rotors and carbotech bobcat pads.
I've done brakes on every car I've owned, I don't want my MCS down while I wait on parts.

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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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if the brake sensor light didn't turn on, you don't need to replace the sensor. if it goes on, it has shorted out and needs to be replaced. i don't know if the carbotech pads have the slots for the sensors or not. the pads that i use don't have slots for the sensors so i just wire-tied the sensor out of the way. i change pads at track events so visual inspections happen often enough that i don't need the idiot light. it's not a difficult job, particularly since you've done brakes before.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 02:42 PM
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The sensor light hasn't come on yet. Keeping fingers crossed it doesn't

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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bean
if the brake sensor light didn't turn on, you don't need to replace the sensor. if it goes on, it has shorted out and needs to be replaced. i don't know if the carbotech pads have the slots for the sensors or not. the pads that i use don't have slots for the sensors so i just wire-tied the sensor out of the way. i change pads at track events so visual inspections happen often enough that i don't need the idiot light. it's not a difficult job, particularly since you've done brakes before.
I have XP10 and XP8 and I asked for the slots with the sensors.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Carbotech bobcats + ATE stock rotors

Just did the same thing...had Danny at Minicorsa change out my front pads and rotors with Carbotech Bobcats and ATE rotors a couple weeks ago (also changed out the fluids). The Bobcats have a place for the brake sensor (didn't have to replace the sensor, but purchased one just in case).
 
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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i guess that it is comfirmed that the carbotech's come w/ the s1ots.

if you know that you wi11 be rep1acing you pads, you cou1d just pu11 them out and tie them out of the way unti1 you have the parts in hand. it wi11 save you the cost of the sensor.

i 1eased a space former1y occupied by carbotech in f1orida, before they moved to NC. i spent two weeks c1eaning fine b1ack dust and painting before i cou1d move in. i think that they owe me a set of pads.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bean
i guess that it is comfirmed that the carbotech's come w/ the s1ots.

if you know that you wi11 be rep1acing you pads, you cou1d just pu11 them out and tie them out of the way unti1 you have the parts in hand. it wi11 save you the cost of the sensor.

i 1eased a space former1y occupied by carbotech in f1orida, before they moved to NC. i spent two weeks c1eaning fine b1ack dust and painting before i cou1d move in. i think that they owe me a set of pads.
How about a key board Sorry to hear the old owner of CT left you a mess to clean up. When you need pads let me know, I'll work something out for you.

Yes the Bobcat 1521 come with the sensor slot and the they can be had on all the other pads too if asked for at time of order.
 

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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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In case anyone is considering the Carbotech Bobcats.
Put the Carbotech Bobcats on with new oem rotors from Napa. The Bobcats do have the slot for the sensor. I put plenty of the red anti squeal stuff on the back of the pads and have yet to hear a single peep out of them.
Very nice upgrade from the oem pads. Feels like the oem's on the first bit of pedal travel then they start to really grab as you apply more pedal. Flushed the brake fluid also. Nice firm pedal.
The brake dust after 2 weeks is pretty much nill. Really loving that!

Dan
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DanSeals
In case anyone is considering the Carbotech Bobcats.
Put the Carbotech Bobcats on with new oem rotors from Napa. The Bobcats do have the slot for the sensor. I put plenty of the red anti squeal stuff on the back of the pads and have yet to hear a single peep out of them.
Very nice upgrade from the oem pads. Feels like the oem's on the first bit of pedal travel then they start to really grab as you apply more pedal. Flushed the brake fluid also. Nice firm pedal.
The brake dust after 2 weeks is pretty much nill. Really loving that!

Dan
I did this exact same thing with exact parts less the brake flush. The amount of reduced dust is also amazing. I thought my EBC greens had reduced dust compared to stock but these are a huge improvement even over those.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AutoXCooper.com
Agreed

Today was the first time I have really had a chance to put the brakes to good use. Some nice backroad driving. I now understand what you are talking about with the brake modulation. Very nice...
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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The brake dust after 2 weeks is pretty much nill. Really loving that!

Dan
Isn't brake dust good for the rotors?
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 02:46 PM
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I am sure its more of an issue of its a light color dust more than actually less dust...
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by seaaan
Isn't brake dust good for the rotors?
Not sure what brake dust offers to better braking or rotor performance. If dust was of value I would think our brakes would be encased to keep it in the system.

Originally Posted by k_h_d
I am sure its more of an issue of its a light color dust more than actually less dust...
The Carbotech 1521 Bobcats, the pad being talked about above, is lower dust as well as being "cleaner" dust.
I know you are thinking "cleaner dust" Dustin lost it .

Most brake pads sold today are considered semi-metallic, semi-metallic brake pads use brass, copper, and steel wool shavings held together by a resin. Unfortunately the main drawback about the use of steel strands, iron, graphite, and small amounts of filer and friction modifiers (used to provide strength and conduct heat away from the rotors) is that the metal shavings and iron must rub against steel rotors every time the brakes are applied. This can also generates a lot more noise and are a lot more abrasive on the rotors. It also creates corrosive dust that can damage your braking system as well as the paint on your wheels and car.

Since CT pads are not made with brass, copper, iron or steel of any kind it makes our pad give off "Cleaner Dust" less of it on the 1521 Bobcats and while the AX and Track pads give off more dust it's also "cleaner dust".
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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The AX6 pads dust about the same amount as the OEM pads. They stop a heckuva lot better though.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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It's not the dust....

Originally Posted by seaaan
Isn't brake dust good for the rotors?
Just want to expound upon Dustin's comment. The process is called "molecular bonding", and it is just that. The pad material mates with the rotor on a molecular level, allowing the pad to "grab" the rotor in a sense. The pad compounds are actually rubbing or grabbing against themselves, this is what creates the best possible braking. This is why the manufacturers want you to turn or replace your rotors. Compounds from different manufacturers do not mix well or play well togetheter many times. It can result in reduced braking power, instead of increased braking power. The dust is simply a by-product of the braking process. It isn't really good or bad for the rotors. It is a good question though.
 
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