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Old Apr 26, 2008 | 12:16 PM
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17x8 wheels fit?

do 17x8 wheels fit on a mini cooper? and if so what tire size will fit?
 
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Old Apr 26, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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I have been told that dubs (20s) have fit on a mini. So I presume 17 by 8s will fit.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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i wasn't worried about it being a 17inc wheel as much as it being 8 inches wide...
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Yah of course they'll fit.....just depends on what TIRES you put on them. Stretching tires often helps fit a 17x8.

You want the offset to be around 35mm-40mm.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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alright what are the largest tires i can fit without any scrubbing under track like driving?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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What is the offset? That's gonna determine what size tires you look for.

Do you plan on lowering the car? Plan on running negative camber?

Though, I have to say...if you're looking for track wheels....you may want to stick with 17x7 or 17x7.5...you won't be able to run the maximum tire size that the 17x8 offers. If you're not using the main benefit of the wider wheel, you might as well go with a skinnier wheel.
 

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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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i haven't settled on one yeght i was looking at the Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 heres a LINK the offsets are 35,38,45,50,55 what would you sujest as wheels are not my forte
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by laggy
do 17x8 wheels fit on a mini cooper? and if so what tire size will fit?
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Yes, the base Cooper will fit many sized wheels from 15x8 on up past 19".

17x7 is stock for the MCS but 17x8 will fit any MINI if offset is correct and tire size is not too tall.

What suspension do you have? Any plans to lower it?

What offset is the 17x8 wheel? Make sure it is 4x100 bolt pattern.

What year do you have and do you have any plans to upgrade brakes to something with a larger caliper?

For stock MC with stock suspension and stock tire size then
17x8 rim with +37 to +42mm offset is OK. Using tires that are taller than stock will reduce clearance while tires that are smaller will increase wheel gap. 205/45-17 will fit 17x8 rim fine.

Alternatively you can also use 215/45-17 with 17x8 rim, the tire is a little taller than stock but will work with stock suspension.

If you want a wider tire you can also run 235/40-17 with 17x8 rim but you get a little less clearance and a little more cost, more weight, and smaller tire selection. 40 Series sidewalls are stiffer so better handling and turn in response with a little less comfort.

In 235/40-17 with highest performance in mind-
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric $182 each 240 treadwear 23 lbs
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R $180 each 140 treadwear 25 lbs
or for more value
Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec $139 each 200 treadwear 24 lbs $50 rebate on set of four tires
For wide tires and wider than stock wheel you might try a 3 to 5 mm spacer in the rear or wheel with less offset about +37 or +38mm.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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i have a stock supention with the sports package i plan on doing sway bars but i probally won't go father then that.

like i said before im flexible on the offset

its a 04 and i currently don't have any big brake plans i just upgraded to stock sized cross drilled and sloted rotors with EBC yellow stuff pads

my main Goal is to keep the weight down as much as possible and put as much tread to the ground as possible.

so spacers and 37-42?

also a completely different question whats the largest tire you can fit on the stock 16x6.5 rims with no scrubbing
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 05:05 PM
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As I said earlier....you really can't use the full potential of a 17x8 because the tire will rub. Most people run 8's for style. You stated you're concerned about weight as well....you might be better off getting 17x7.5's or even 17x7's. You can still fit 225's without having the added weight of a wider wheel.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by minihune
This thread moved to Tires, Wheels and brakes forum.

Yes, the base Cooper will fit many sized wheels from 15x8 on up past 19".

17x7 is stock for the MCS but 17x8 will fit any MINI if offset is correct and tire size is not too tall.

What suspension do you have? Any plans to lower it?

What offset is the 17x8 wheel? Make sure it is 4x100 bolt pattern.

What year do you have and do you have any plans to upgrade brakes to something with a larger caliper?

For stock MC with stock suspension and stock tire size then
17x8 rim with +37 to +42mm offset is OK. Using tires that are taller than stock will reduce clearance while tires that are smaller will increase wheel gap. 205/45-17 will fit 17x8 rim fine.

Alternatively you can also use 215/45-17 with 17x8 rim, the tire is a little taller than stock but will work with stock suspension.

If you want a wider tire you can also run 235/40-17 with 17x8 rim but you get a little less clearance and a little more cost, more weight, and smaller tire selection. 40 Series sidewalls are stiffer so better handling and turn in response with a little less comfort.

In 235/40-17 with highest performance in mind-
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric $182 each 240 treadwear 23 lbs
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R $180 each 140 treadwear 25 lbs
or for more value
Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec $139 each 200 treadwear 24 lbs $50 rebate on set of four tires
For wide tires and wider than stock wheel you might try a 3 to 5 mm spacer in the rear or wheel with less offset about +37 or +38mm.
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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alright thanks so much for the help but what is the largest tire you can put on a 16x6.5 stock cooper wheel?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by laggy
i have a stock supention with the sports package i plan on doing sway bars but i probally won't go father then that.

like i said before im flexible on the offset

its a 04 and i currently don't have any big brake plans i just upgraded to stock sized cross drilled and sloted rotors with EBC yellow stuff pads

my main Goal is to keep the weight down as much as possible and put as much tread to the ground as possible.

so spacers and 37-42?

also a completely different question whats the largest tire you can fit on the stock 16x6.5 rims with no scrubbing
You mean widest tire for stock 16" rim.
While you can go extra wide like-
225/50-16 (a bit tall at 24.9" tire diameter)
For best fit 205/50-16 or 205/55-16 is usual.

Tire selection would be different using a 16x7" or wider rim.

Using your MC with stock suspension-
17x8 rim
205/45-17 or 215/45-17 tire
+40 offset

With wider sized tire then less offset.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by minihune
With wider sized tire then less offset.
And by that you mean higher offset or lower? I wouldn't go much lower than 40 if you're running 215's.

205/45-17 will have a pretty big stretch on a 17x8....just a heads up to the OP.
 

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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rally@StanceDesign

205/45-17 will have a pretty big stretch on a 17x8....just a heads up to the OP.
my FX35 runs 265's on an 8" wheel. Stock.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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my FX35 runs 265's on an 8" wheel. Stock.
205's are what konky is running on his 17x8's and I've got 205's stretched on my 15x8's. 205 is a definite stretch on 17x8.

205 on a 17x8 (konky's). Beautiful amount of stretch
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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will 215/50/r16's work? on stock cooper 16's
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 07:04 PM
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17x8

wassup laggy,i know you have plenty to think about after everyone chiming in,i put 17x8 et38 team dynamics on my jcw with hankook rs-2s,what a great combo,i get minor rubbing in the back but that can easily be fixed with a little trimming which i havnt got round to doing yet,my tire guy took the time to mount several tires on the rims to see which ones would work,when he tried the hankook in 225 45r/17 i just loved the look and now that i have broken them in thay are just awesome,had falken azenis 615 before,way better btw if anyone in the west san fernando valley area in la is looking for a good tire guy,tires buy mark
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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225/45 is way too tall for the MINI.
 
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205's are what konky is running on his 17x8's and I've got 205's stretched on my 15x8's. 205 is a definite stretch on 17x8.

205 on a 17x8 (konky's). Beautiful amount of stretch
That's a style I've never understood. If that were my car, I'd be thinking to myself "When the tire's molded-in rim protector is actually sitting *behind* the face of the rim, maybe I should have gotten the wider tires..."
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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I'd be thinking to myself "When the tire's molded-in rim protector is actually sitting *behind* the face of the rim, maybe I should have gotten the wider tires..."
And then....when you're running wide wheels with low offsets at a slammed ride height and you're tires are rubbing on your arches you'd be thinking to yourself "now I understand why those guys were stretching tires"

If I ran wider tires that didn't stretch, my poor arches would be rubbed away
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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Oh, I know the reasons that people give for running stretched tires, but if your wheels are so wide that you need to run stretched tires to get adequate clearance between the tire sidewall and the wheel arches, then why not - oh I don't know - use narrower wheels??

You could also have a body shop roll your wheel arches to give you more clearance. It just seems to me that stretching narrow tires onto a wide rim is kind of a "low-rent" solution, but strangely enough, it seems to be the "big thing" with people going for a high-style "Euro/VIP" look.

Whenever I see a car with super-stretched tires, the message the owner is sending (to me) is either:

1) "I got a great deal on these bitchin' wide wheels (or I'm trying my best to re-use some wheels I already had lying around), but now I have to stretch a way-too-narrow tire onto it to keep from rubbing things", or

2) "I spent all my money on these rims and can't afford the proper-sized tires for them."

Of course, I turn 38 next month, so maybe I just need to start shopping for high-waisted pants, black socks and sandals.
 

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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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You could also have a body shop roll your wheel arches to give you more clearance. It just seems to me that stretching narrow tires onto a wide rim is kind of a "low-rent" solution, but strangely enough, it seems to be the "big thing" with people going for a high-style "Euro/VIP" look.
Because many people like the look of the wheel poking slightly as the wheel wells look filled instead of empty when you're running high offset skinny wheels. With 7's you get very little lip, the car looks skinny, and the view from behind just isn't as appealing as when you look at a car with nice wide wheels under there.

And how wide wheels is "low-rent" is beyond me. Most wheels that have stretched tires are custom high-end wheels. My centercaps alone each cost more than most Rota wheels...and of course, my 205/50's cost just as much as the 205/50's you see on any 15x7 Low rent

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Whenever I see a car with super-stretched tires, the message the owner is sending (to me) is either:

1) "I got a great deal on these bitchin' wide wheels (or I'm trying my best to re-use some wheels I already had lying around), but now I have to stretch a way-too-narrow tire onto it to keep from rubbing things", or

2) "I spent all my money on these rims and can't afford the proper-sized tires for them."
I guess you just need to open your mind a bit. Why not add another option to your list that they were trying to go for the perfect stance in their opinion? It seems that your only two options are negative choices to put the person down and there's no positive option.

The truth of the matter is that 99% of the time, someone you see running around with stretched tires and poking wheels knows more about tire and wheel fitments than the average person running mediocre wheel widths and the regular tire just because the rest of the forum assured them it would fit. People with that kind of dedication to stance and running wide wheels spend a ridiculous amount of time and energy measuring, testing, and planning on their custom wheels to make them fit just right so that they can be right at the fenders without rubbing. It's a big obsession for most of those people as they search for their perfect stance. And 99% of the time....the stretched tires that don't rub and the ability to run wide poking wheels is exactly what they were aiming for.....so instead of assuming that they don't know how to fit "proper tires", realize that they know EXACTLY how to make the wheel fit in the manner that they had planned and they know exactly what the proper sized tire is.

And #2 makes very little sense to begin with....the difference between a 205 and a 215 or 225 of the same tire is probably a $20 difference. It's not like they are choosing between cheap 15" tires or expensive 18" tires that greatly vary in prices.

And no age excuses....I know 40+ year olds who know how to fit extreme wheels with stretched tires (just playing)
 

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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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i have a question with streached tires do you sacrafice any handeling or ware?
 
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First, the extreme cases I'm talking about aren't people that are stretching a 205 onto a rim better-suited for a 215 or a 225. I'm talking about people stretching tires onto rims that are 2", 2.5" or even 3" wider than the "normal" size rim for that tire.

If that's the look they're going for, then by all means, it's their car and their choice. I just think it's a silly look when you can see both the front AND back side of the rim lip.

As for my "low-rent" comment, I just meant that I feel there are better/cleaner ways of fixing interference problems besides stretching a narrow tire over a wide rim. I didn't mean that wide wheels are cheap. But again, if that's the look they're going for, then the stretched tires become an end in and of themselves, rather than just a means to an end of fixing interference problems.

And I guess if you just absolutely have to have the face of the rim flush with the wheel-arch opening, and you're not willing to roll the arches, then stretching the tire is probably the best solution.
 
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