Cooper (non S) Modifications specific to the MINI Cooper (R50).

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:53 PM
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R50 TURBO KIT

I thought I would make this into it's own thread since more people need to know what has been done in the past... yet never released persay... thanks to our NOOB friend MEGAmini LOL


USING R53 INTAKE MANIFOLD AND WATER/AIR INTERCOOLER.



 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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......and a change to the 6 speed from an MCS.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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Ha ha yeah of course... the midlands isnt geared right... nor do I think it or the CVT could take it... LOL
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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oohh nice...what kinda hp did it make?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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230whp @ 15psi was max for stock cooper map sensor
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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Impressive numbers Great looking kit...can't wait to get mine done...
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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Very cool.

I love the littel PWR cooler. How well did it work??.

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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internal engine differences R50 vs R53

A Technical article which has been posted before discusses the changes made to the R50 to permit it to withstand the added stresses of supercharging. An excerpt follows. Absent some work on the R50, I wonder how well it would stand up to Turbocharging.

Design of the Basic Engine:
The basic engine in the Cooper S, Title Figure,
is based on the 1.6 litre four-cylinder
unit familiar from the Mini One and the
Mini Cooper. This engine is made by
TRITEC, a BMW Group and DaimlerChrysler
joint venture. Owing to the new version’s
high specific power output, however, a
number of modifications were required,
and these will be discussed later. The technical
data for the engine in the Mini Cooper
S are shown in Table 1.
4.1.1 Combustion Chamber,
Pistons
A bore/stroke ratio of 77/85.8 mm has been
retained, in other words a long-stroke configuration.
The pistons are made from the
high-temperature alloy AL 142 by the
Mahle company. The piston groove for the
compression ring is anodised and the
height of the piston’s top land is only 4 mm,
a very low figure for a supercharged engine.
To avoid piston overheating even in continuous
full-load operation, the engine has
an oil cooling system for the pistons. The
technology for this was adopted from BMW
engines. Essentially, it consists of nozzles
that spray the pistons with oil from below,
thereby cooling them. These nozzles open
at an oil pump pressure of about 2.5 bar and
have a maximum oil delivery rate of 2.2
l/min. Oil cooling reduces the temperature
of the pistons in the zone around the centre
of the crown by as much as 50 degrees to a
maximum of 250 degrees.
4.1.2 Reciprocating Elements
Because of the significantly higher peak
combustion pressures compared with the
basic naturally aspirated engine, considerable
modifications have had to be made to
the crank mechanism as well. Whereas the
basic version is fitted with a cast crankshaft,
a drop-forged steel crankshaft is used
on the Cooper S. There is no need to harden
the crankpins and main bearing journals,
but three-layer bearings are used to cope
with the higher bearing forces involved.
The crankshaft is supported at five points
and has 8 counterweights, which provide
80 % balancing. This configuration minimises
free vibration and bearing loads.
The connecting rods have also been fundamentally
modified. The basic engine is
fitted with sintered rods, but the Mini
Cooper S uses a forged version with computer
optimised geometry. As with the basic
sintered version, these rods are
“cracked”.
4.1.3 Oil Pump
The oil pump has been modified to meet
the higher volumetric flow requirements
imposed by the oil spray nozzles. It is a
“gerotor” gear-type pump driven directly
from the crankshaft and is an integral part
of the timing drive cover. The only modification
required was to optimise the flow
characteristics of the control lips at the inlet
and outlet sides of the pump. This yielded
an increase of about 15 % in the flow rate.
The pressure-regulating system has also
been reconfigured to ensure that the required
supply pressure of at least 3 bar is
available even at critical engine speeds.
This made it possible to avoid the alternative
of widening the gearwheels in the
pump, which is associated with an increase
in friction.
4.1.4 Cylinder Head and Valve
Gear
The cylinder head has also been redesigned
to increase power output. The main emphasis
here was on adapting the passages
to the higher gas flow. In particular, the
maximum flow rate on the exhaust side
has been increased by 30 % by optimising
the geometry of both the passages and the
valves. It also involved reducing the valve
stem diameter below the guide to 5 mm.
The valve timing for the 85-kW engine
proved to be ideal for the supercharged unit
as well. The spread is 111 degrees of crankshaft
rotation on the inlet side and 109 degrees
on the exhaust side.
The geometry of the valve gear has to a
large extent been taken over from the basic
version. It is a compact valve timing system
with an overhead camshaft, aluminium
roller rockers and integral hydraulic valve
lash adjusters. There are three rockers per
cylinder: two for the inlet valves and a tandem
rocker for actuating the exhaust
valves. Since the exhaust valves for the supercharged
engine have to open against a
higher cylinder pressure, the forces in the
valve gear increase accordingly. In addition,
the engine’s governed speed limit has
been raised to 6,950 rpm. The tandem rockers
for the exhaust valves have therefore
been modified to accommodate the higher
loads with additional material and tighter
tolerances between the roller shaft and the
rocker.
As a departure from the basic version,
the exhaust valves are manufactured from
Inconel to take account of the significantly
higher temperatures involved.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tüls
I thought I would make this into it's own thread since more people need to know what has been done in the past... yet never released persay... thanks to our NOOB friend MEGAmini LOL


USING R53 INTAKE MANIFOLD AND WATER/AIR INTERCOOLER.



I like it. I don't think I could pass smog with it, but I like it.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by goaljnky
I like it. I don't think I could pass smog with it, but I like it.
ha ha ha true, but that's why I live in a free country... you know that thing outside that bubble you living in LOL
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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ok no offence but that's not an excerpt.... and done properly it stands up just fine to turocharging... this thread isnt about WHAT IF... it's about... it was done long ago... the first cooper fully turboed by MEGAmini was back in 03.... but no one knows this stuff cuase it was all UNPOSSIBLE!



Originally Posted by SteveS
A Technical article which has been.............................................. ...................
 

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 05:27 PM
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Very Nice!!! Now I want that too.......

I luv the "UNPOSSIBLE"

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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That being said. Will it pass smog, and what kind of cost are we talking, and of course are they offering this to anyone willing to pay the price!! Not today, but might soon be willing to double my HP numbers!!
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 06:22 PM
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There was another MINI back in the day that had a turbo. I think it was in NEWMINI mag or one of the others. It was a yellow MINI out of California I believe.
Will this ever be a kit, or is it just a custom job if you have the cash to pay for it? And do you have any more pics of the car finished and put back together?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by N2MINI
That being said. Will it pass smog, and what kind of cost are we talking, and of course are they offering this to anyone willing to pay the price!! Not today, but might soon be willing to double my HP numbers!!
very interesting. especially for those of us who want to have our MINI's forever (especially me and my CVT). if it could pass smog and wasn't CRAZY expensive to do this and the tranny swap, it could give a MINI a second life when the time comes .
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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......and a change to the 6 speed from an MCS.
I miss that guy from way back in the TMMZ days.....anyone heard from him recently?

Originally Posted by xnotfunkylex
There was another MINI back in the day that had a turbo. I think it was in NEWMINI mag or one of the others. It was a yellow MINI out of California I believe.
Diamond Racing Group....turbo'd CVT Cooper
 
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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As I remember it...it was a BLUE Cooper....at least that was the color that blew by me like I was standing still @ WOT 5th gear. That was like 5 years ago.....never heard a peep from the dude since. And no it wasn't Tuls..that dood is long gone now that I stole his identity....
 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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I assume we can the keep the cooper bonnet cuz of the w2a? or does all that sexy not fit under the cooper hood?
 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by UKCoopeR
I assume we can the keep the cooper bonnet cuz of the w2a? or does all that sexy not fit under the cooper hood?
you are correct, it was designed with the hood it had in mind
 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by UKCoopeR
I assume we can the keep the cooper bonnet cuz of the w2a? or does all that sexy not fit under the cooper hood?

the design goal was to create a R50 that would look understated, but have some "*****" under the hood. picture of completed car before installation of front grill to cover heat exchanger for water to air. all components fit nicely under the factory cooper hood.

 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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ha ha ha true, but that's why I live in a free country... you know that thing outside that bubble you living in LOL
But at least I get to pay higher taxes. Makes me feel like I am doing something for the community. Come to think of it, if it wasn't for the CA IT, I could probably afford that by now.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAmini
the design goal was to create a R50 that would look understated, but have some "*****" under the hood. picture of completed car before installation of front grill to cover heat exchanger for water to air. all components fit nicely under the factory cooper hood.

Totally awesome. R53 hotshoes better watch their mirrors!
 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Tüls
you are correct, it was designed with the hood it had in mind
Originally Posted by MEGAmini
the design goal was to create a R50 that would look understated, but have some "*****" under the hood. picture of completed car before installation of front grill to cover heat exchanger for water to air. all components fit nicely under the factory cooper hood.

exactly what i wanted to hear, i like be sneaky
 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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So, what happened with this car?

It was done "in the past", and I seem to recall it being the distant past (in MINI terms).

Why the sudden posting of this? What's the status of the car now?
 
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by snid
So, what happened with this car?

It was done "in the past", and I seem to recall it being the distant past (in MINI terms).

Why the sudden posting of this? What's the status of the car now?

I believe TULS is just pointing out that there is a tremendous library of work done by various individuals and companies in developing innovative products and technologies for the MINI platform. The community has been slow in accepting the wide range of performance that can be achieved with the R50/R53 and now R56. Nothing wrong with that, just the normal maturation process for a new platform. There is a wealth of information that has never been posted for public consumption.
Back in 2002, my first modification to my R53 was a turbo - not an intake, pulley, exhaust, or IPOD holder....
I was rolling around with 250-300whp when everyone thought 200whp was "UNPOSSIBLE". This is what keeps me in the industry, the process of development and education of the community to what can be achieved.

btw, the cooper kit was a developmental project that was started last year. purpose was to test components and develop flexible engine management. we are in final testing and will release information when completed.
 
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