HI !To all I have this racing proposition from a coworker to do a 1/4 mile he has a 07 MCS fully optioned with 17" wheels no upgrades , I have a 06 MCS with 16" wheels only upgrade a K&N filter , we have the entire office doing bets it looks like a main event here , What are my odds going against a 07 , should I quietly run and get a 15% pulley.

Thanks !


2006 Pepper White MCS

 

Well,
according to the unbiased-biased reporting at Car&Driver,
the 07 has a 0-60 of 7.3 and 1/4 mi 15.5s
the 06 has a 0-60 of 7.4 and 1/4 mi 15.6s,

which means the cars perform basically the same (assuming that you both have manual trans.) due to differences of conditions during testing...

The larger wheels have more weight (bad) but slightly larger contact patches (good)... if you want to win, get the pully.

Otherwise, it'll come down to driver skill on launching.

 

I'd say, driving skills being equal, that you'd need a pulley to even the odds.

And keep it on the track, please. Good luck!

 

who cares:impatient ...straight line speed....take it to the twisties...or better yet, take it to the track...any putz can drive in a straight line..

 

Any putz can drive a straight line, but every putz has different reaction time.
Hope your coop is manual, if so you should go somewhere and just get your launching from a stop smooth.
If your able to do that you should be good
The cars are pretty closely matched, that's what will make the real difference.

 

Thanks ! for the info. we are definitely going to the track at my age I dont want to mess with the law , I see that having 16" wheel will make me lose some contact patch , well I have to practice my reaction time and launch I have not race since 1989 that I used to have a Mustang GT , I will post pictures and results next week. ohhh! by the way we are both manual so we will be going to drivers skill, lets see who will misss a shift

 

Yep John Force is really a putz.

Drag racing isn't my thing, but there is a skill involved there.

I think you & your coworker should hit the road course. In this putz's opinion more skill is needed there.

 

Exactly
Smooth shifting, smooth sailing to the finish line.
Sounds like it will be close though.
Slight differences, both manual.
Keep us all posted, I've been curious about the two.
Still likin' 05/06's better
Have fun and be safe

 

i am a r53 owner and just bought a used 05 MCS to replace my 02. We looked at the r56 but decided to go with the r53 because we liked the driver-car communication and the looks over the r56. that being said you dont have a chance against an r56. The torque of that motor hits so hard and at low rpm that the r53 will have no chance of staying with the r56. I drove one twice and they are fast. under the sport mode the car has a ten second overboost mode which creates 190 ft/lbs of torque for highway passing needs. r56 will stay with a GP.

 

Everyone knows the R56 destroys the R53. Just look at how much faster their torque peaks. There was a good article about it in MC2

 

Go get the pulley. Highly recommend it

 

On a drag strip when most of the time is spent in the higher rpm range, the difference between an 05-06 R53 and an R56 isn't the slaughtering that one would expect...

Jason

 

One other thing to consider is as yours is older it's also broken in and most likely quicker than a new 07. The full power of an engine doesn't come in untill it's broken in, in fact I think the managment system limits red-line or de-power a little untill it learns your driving stlye, etc. Another cheap but sneeky trick is the lower the pressure on the tires-makes the contact patch flatter -not too low! Also do a nice smoky burn out prior to the run to heat the tires and impress the crowd

No pressure or anything but the hopes of the series I crowd are resting on your sholders.

 

You will need more than a pulley....the R56 will win.

 

imo you are going to get whooped. My car got whooped by an r56 and I have
- 15% pully
- Airbox
- Exhaust
- Intercooler stuff
-Suspension

Granted I'm also running 1.75 camber... which should be some where close to 0 under hard accel. Either way don't put money on it cause you are going to lose.

p.s. you are very very smart for taking it to the track. Regardless of who will win do it any way... it will be a great time.

 

Care to post your times?
My head to head experience on the drag strip has much different results. My car with 15%, intake, and exhaust has no problems turning faster times than the R56 that I run against. In the range of .4 seconds faster than the R56....(R56 driver knows what he's doing, so thats not it)

In other cases when both cars may start from a roll, say pulling out of a corner, the R56 definately does have a big advantage.

Talking strictly drag strip use, the R56 is probably just a little bit quicker than a bone stock R53, but not by much.

Jason

 

The comment about the higher RPMs was a good point. From what I've read the R56 starts dropping off around 5Kish, where the S/C would still be going strong* Then again it depends on what pulley you have though.

 

Ohhhh!!! well im am feeling the presure , I might be looking for that pulley , some octane booster fluid , or just have some fun in the track while my rear gets kicked, my hope is as they said his car has 700 miles only and I have 6k miles , or maybe he is a terrible driver

 

One other thing. Turn off your DSC if you have it.

 

ive raced an r56 and all i have is an alta CAI and i beat the fudge out of it .....it all depends on driver skill in my opinion but then again the r56 does have the torque buttttt the 53 has the power band all through out with the pretty lil super charger also make sure u turn the dsc offor else you will shift and want to stall the car out but yeah with only a kn intake i woudl drop a 15 pulley and maybe even a 2 percent crank and you will beat him like that ugly r56 deserves to be beat =) lol

 

Hmmm...I wonder on my Mazdaspeed, the ECU takes a direct liking to higher octane fuel. Believe it or not...with the mods I have, changing from 93 pump fuel to 100 octane race fuel bumps me from a 13.7xx to a 13.5xx (close to, but not quite 2/10s). Even stock MS6's have seen similar results...so it's not the mods I have.

Since the R56 is also has direct inject technology, I wonder if they see similar gains as I do? I might need to troll their forums to see If this is the case, I hope your friend does not find out...

Also, here's my second thought...on a front wheel drive car, the hardest part is hooking up. That being, and correct me if I'm wrong, the main power band of a supercharger is the low end (where you are having a hard time getting traction), while the turbo kicks in at a high RPM (once the wheels are hooked). So if that is true...I feel you would need to get a perfect start where he will have some leeway (albeit little). Again, feel free to correct me if this is not the case, while my other car lives at the 1/4...I don't race my MCSc at all.

This could be a tough run for you brother... but I'm pullin' for ya!

 

If this is true, hold off on racing until his car has over 1,000 miles on it, at least. MINIs have a break-in period of 1,250 miles, and he shouldn't be drag racing it when it's not broken in. I realise it's his problem if he breaks his car because of ignorance, but I'd point that out to him and tell him to call you after it's broken in.

 

will be nice to see as more come out. The models I made in the article didn't really capture the launch. The race will be won at the lauch and before the 1-2 gear shift, and the driver that uses the right shift points.
Roll-on races the increased torque of the R56 will really shine, like the corner exit comment above. While the drag model I made is insightful for comparing cars, the fact that it doesn't include a very important part of the race shows it's limits.

Matt

 

just for the hell of it... you guys should run in your own respective cars then swap drivers. see if it's the driver's abilities or the car's.

 

Calling you out on that... no way unless it wasn't a sport. My dad has one, and man that thing will fly. Plus a turbo does better at higher RPM, the more exhaust gases, the more boost. It's not going to leave you in the dust but it will be a clear win.