JCW Who's considering the 308HP 2020 JCW Countryman/Clubman?
#26
I drive a 6-speed manual myself but there's a reason Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Aston Martin and other exotics all have paddle-shifted autos. They're simply superior to manual transmissions. Now, I'll never have the new Mini Countryman because I don't see $45,000 in it (plus I find 4 doors unseemly on a Mini) but there will be plenty of people out there driving them and blowing my little R53 off the road. Progress stops for no man.
#27
And there's a reason the most driver of the driver's car, the Miata, sells more manuals than autos. Because while a manual may be slower nowadays it offers a connection with the car that an auto can't and never will. Let's face it, we drive Minis. They're not rocket ships but they're still a blast to drive. Because they're a driver's car. Take the manual away and you've got a car with an incomplete soul.
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#28
And there's a reason the most driver of the driver's car, the Miata, sells more manuals than autos. Because while a manual may be slower nowadays it offers a connection with the car that an auto can't and never will. Let's face it, we drive Minis. They're not rocket ships but they're still a blast to drive. Because they're a driver's car. Take the manual away and you've got a car with an incomplete soul.
#29
Cars are machines, they don't have souls. My F56 is fun to drive as an auto, probably fun to drive as a manual if my body cooperated with it. I don't go around bashing cars because people insist on driving manuals when auto's are a lot easier. If I visited your house would you be hunt and pecking on a manual typewriter? I remember how cool it felt punching those keys down and watching letters appear on paper, until the IBM electric typewriter became affordable. Pure bliss, that machine had a soul (LOL).
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#30
I had a manual 2007 MCS and now an auto 2014 JCW Coupe. I have to admit I prefer the auto. What I suspect with the 300 HP Clubman/Countryman is developing a manual/clutch for that powerplant may have been more trouble than it was worth to Mini. I'm guessing that 80% of new Minis are autos these days, and that of those a disproportionate share are Justas. If I got one of those Gen3 turbo Justas I'd get a manual, you betcha. I bet it's a blast.
#31
Read a blub about it today on Motoringfile (I can't post links for some reason sorry). I sounds pretty much a deluxe track type Mini to me, huge power, 8 speed trans (no manual), stiffer body and frame, upgraded suspension parts, new cooling. They said production starts in July (???). Not at all as extreme looking as the GP3 but probably as fast and handles pretty close.
I've had my eye on the Gen3 Clubman and this just might do it for me as my final Mini. I keep 'em about 6 years which will be next year. My Coupe was $40k I bet this is a bit more all loaded up. Maybe $45? Waddaya think about this badboy?
I've had my eye on the Gen3 Clubman and this just might do it for me as my final Mini. I keep 'em about 6 years which will be next year. My Coupe was $40k I bet this is a bit more all loaded up. Maybe $45? Waddaya think about this badboy?
My feeling is BMW doesn't care anymore about the Mini brand other than econo boxes getting uglier with any trim design bits they add to make it different from the competition. In the other way, they spend a lot to upgrade the appeal in the same price range with their BMW 2 Series. As far as I am concerned, I consider the M240I very seriously when time will come to get rid of my JCW Coupe. For now, I am still happy.
#33
And so it goes...
http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/05/...missions-2020/
http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/05/...missions-2020/
#34
But it doesn’t have the barn doors. This is one of the features that I really like on the Clubman.
#35
Mini is going to have to keep the price of the new Clubman and Countryman JCWs around the current pricing, otherwise people will just buy the X2 M35i instead.
#36
Ah I didn't know they used that platform!! And I agree it must be around the same pricing for it to be competitive because although I prefer the clubman any day of the week, a lot of people would rather a BMW for the name alone
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My first three MINI's were manuals, my last two were/are autos. I love to shift but don't need a clutch to feel connected. As far as a 300 hp MINI I have no interest. My goal for this car is blasting around on the street without getting in too much trouble. Anything I do that increases hp or handling move me further from that goal.
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