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Awesome congrat's!!! Please post a review (& some pics) on this thread when your done. I't would great if we had strain gages to quantify all these upgrades.
I've done a bunch of track days since I got the car, so I can definitely provide feedback on the difference between stock and the upgraded bars in that sense.
 
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It's an upgrade to both the front and rear, with the rear being a bigger upgrade in size from stock. Will still reduce understeer and inprove lift-off oversteer, but (hopefully) in a more balanced way overall.


https://www.ecstuning.com/b-eibach-p...-57-004-01-11/
Ive been canyon running out here with H&R front and rear.
No fear of lift oversteer after deep braking!!
Much more neutral!!


Who's doing the front install??

I had the dealer do mine (2.0 labor hours) took the tech 3 hours!!

Also get some Moog front links, they are $14 a piece at Rock Auto.

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I'm starting to like the idea of the Eibach bar set. Let me know if you had to take the strut assembly out to install them or had to get an alignment afterwards.
 
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Originally Posted by MikeMJCW
I'm starting to like the idea of the Eibach bar set. Let me know if you had to take the strut assembly out to install them or had to get an alignment afterwards.
The from subframe has to be removed!!

The rear subframe just needs to be lowered.
 
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Thank's. I found a video where the guy removed the struts and front subframe (R56) as he was doing the coilovers too. For me this is a trip to the Dealer, can't do that work on my back anymore
 
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The struts don't get removed.
As a matter of fact, the suspension stays on the car.
I watched the tech remove mine.

What comes down is the subframe with the steering rack and sway bar as one piece.

This will give you an idea.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...ort/1VnXqN5x23
 
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Oh that's gonna be pricey!
 
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Oh that's gonna be pricey!
MINI dealer out here charged 2.0 hours labor.
$280 total install.
 
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I'll do the install with a buddy of mine, I'll try to get some good pictures and stuff of the installation to post afterwards.
 
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Originally Posted by elsnaibs
I'll do the install with a buddy of mine, I'll try to get some good pictures and stuff of the installation to post afterwards.
Please be especially careful when lowering the subframe, DO NOT let the steering shaft on the steering rack hit the firewall going in and out. Its very delicate.

Also the instructions don't warn you about locking down the steering wheel FIRST.
You do not want the clock spring damaged.

I was a tech for 18 years with GM, and chose to not attempt this at home!!
If the dealer screwed up, it would be their dime. To me it was worth the $280!!

Godspeed to you!!

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I got a quote that ranged from $960 to $1200 for coilover install, not including swaybars from my dealer
 
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Originally Posted by MikeMJCW
I got a quote that ranged from $960 to $1200 for coilover install, not including swaybars from my dealer
I don't know how prevalent dealers are in your area, but when there are multiple dealers in a small radius, they tend to get competitive.

My dealer is in a "Bedroom community" its north, going away from Los Angeles.
They want the business, gave J_L here on NAM the same deal
The dealer going south into Los Angeles is so busy, they pretty much make up any price they want.

You might try the DIY approach, as coilers are not that hard to do.
 
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Originally Posted by TVPostSound
Please be especially careful when lowering the subframe, DO NOT let the steering shaft on the steering rack hit the firewall going in and out. Its very delicate.

Also the instructions don't warn you about locking down the steering wheel FIRST.
You do not want the clock spring damaged.

I was a tech for 18 years with GM, and chose to not attempt this at home!!
If the dealer screwed up, it would be their dime. To me it was worth the $280!!

Godspeed to you!!

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Thanks for the heads up! I don't think my dealer will install aftermarket parts, so it's either find a shop that may or may not know what they are doing, or do it myself. My friend and I have years of experience wrenching on Minis, though the F56 is still a new animal.
 
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Originally Posted by elsnaibs
Thanks for the heads up! I don't think my dealer will install aftermarket parts, so it's either find a shop that may or may not know what they are doing, or do it myself. My friend and I have years of experience wrenching on Minis, though the F56 is still a new animal.
Well???
 
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Well???
Been very busy with my two jobs, and my buddy was out of town, now I am prepping for MTTS. It's going to have to wait till I am back in town after the 24th.
 
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I was able to drive a stock f56s and one with the NM rear roll bar installed, back to back. It took two corners to "sell" me. Easily perceptible drop in body roll, Less understeer "crabbing" on part throttle as you roll on after an apex. Less rear wheel hop/snag/slip/grab. Amazing how much this one part improves handling... I was able to get on the gas earlier and harder and I could feel the back end "agreeing" to continue turning with me, allowing the front to steer where I wanted it to on throttle. I was kind of amazed how it almost felt like RWD!
 
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I was able to drive a stock f56s and one with the NM rear roll bar installed, back to back. It took two corners to "sell" me. Easily perceptible drop in body roll, Less understeer "crabbing" on part throttle as you roll on after an apex. Less rear wheel hop/snag/slip/grab. Amazing how much this one part improves handling... I was able to get on the gas earlier and harder and I could feel the back end "agreeing" to continue turning with me, allowing the front to steer where I wanted it to on throttle. I was kind of amazed how it almost felt like RWD!

Wait till you drive an F56 with an increased front AND rear sway bar!! Literally a go-kart.
 
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Originally Posted by TVPostSound
Front bars are available for both the R56 and F56, from Eibach
and H&R.
I have the H&Rs installed.
A bigger front bar along withh a bigger rear does NOT induce
understeer.
My F56 now turns flatter and better than just a rear bar.
Along withH&R springs. It’s the total package.
The rear bar theory was introduced due to the high cost of installing
the front.

I have a dealer here in SoCal that charges 2 labor hours.
Tell me your dealer who does that?
:-)
thanks

and on mine, I have the frame brace up front with stock roll bar there and it's lowered with NM springs and bilsteins... It's really fun, but it still isn't a "go-Kart." ;-). http://www.motoringfile.com/2017/06/...ctual-go-kart/
 
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Originally Posted by alacrity
Tell me your dealer who does that?
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thanks

and on mine, I have the frame brace up front with stock roll bar there and it's lowered with NM springs and bilsteins... It's really fun, but it still isn't a "go-Kart." ;-). http://www.motoringfile.com/2017/06/...ctual-go-kart/

Mini of Valencia, see Jessica. Had mine done there, also "J_L" here on NAM.
 
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You can see by my other posts, I run a solid 27mm front bar, 25mm solid rear bar (H&R), and H&R springs.
 
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We also do aftermarket performance upgrades here at Baron MINI in Kansas City! I have the Eibach front and rear sway bar kit on my car and it is a magical difference.
 
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Also, I'm glad I got to meet you in Keystone @elsnaibs!
 
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Also, I'm glad I got to meet you in Keystone @elsnaibs!
Nice to meet you too, my man! It was a pretty awesome trip!


 
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Got a quote from another nearby dealer of $1,000 for coilover install. This seems high to me and I don't see myself pulling a DIY. Do you folks (your opinion) feel you got $2,500 "value" from coilovers? Might just leave it alone.
 


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