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Old 07-16-2013, 07:03 PM
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Yes, for sure. No doubt in my mind.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:22 PM
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But really, who cares? If the car speaks to you, by all means, care for it like a collector car. Even if it doesn't appreciate, you can appreciate it, and that's what counts.
Well said!
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:37 PM
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From my experience the advice I give to people is if they are looking for appreciation then buy a T Bill. If you are a "car person" then buy the best condition cars that reach out to your heart.

I have a vehicle collection that I started in 1952 and it has grown to over 500 vehicles. While it has significant value, when I factor in the overhead of keeping and maintaining the collection and the staff needed to to do so, along with the fact that the total value of the collection can swing by 200% or more based on overall economic conditions, it is one of the worst investments around.
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:10 PM
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500 vehicles?! Is that you, J Leno? Also PICS!
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:11 PM
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But with cars often the value and desirability is dependent on folk lore. The BMW E30 M3 is legendary yet I'll bet it's thoroughly outperformed by a Toyobaru BRZ. Or the old muscle cars, generally speaking they were all dreadful, fairly ugly/unstyled, built down to a price on a Union run line from a parts-bin platform, yet people will pay a fortune for a 'numbers matching' somethingsomething yet they would probably be outrun by a midrange modern German saloon car. These cars are worth money due to things that made them unique and masculine. A high cost of ownership (vintage Bugatti), bad manners on the road (911 turbo), defining a market segment (E30 M3) or being a poster car for youngsters (muscle cars) often help the used value.

Sadly the JCW and GP are just a bit too derivative and dare I say it, feminine, to hit the 'halo' car territory that sees people paying many times more than the purchase price for an old one.
The E30 M3's S14 engine is by far one of the BMW engines that I admire the most. Had a chance to watch my instructor rebuild one for Spec racing and I clearly remember him saying that they were extremely durable and very well engineered for their time.. I don't know what you mean by parts bin, the S14 was developed using data and knowledge gained from BMW's engines in the short liver Group B rally. The S14 doesn't share any parts with any other BMW...
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:13 PM
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The E30 M3's S14 engine is by far one of the BMW engines that I admire the most. Had a chance to watch my instructor rebuild one for Spec racing and I clearly remember him saying that they were extremely durable and very well engineered for their time.. I don't know what you mean by parts bin, the S14 was developed using data and knowledge gained from BMW's engines in the short liver Group B rally. The S14 doesn't share any parts with any other BMW...
Thank goodness I wrote something totally different to what you thought I wrote then.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:18 PM
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The E30 M3's S14 engine is by far one of the BMW engines that I admire the most. Had a chance to watch my instructor rebuild one for Spec racing and I clearly remember him saying that they were extremely durable and very well engineered for their time.. I don't know what you mean by parts bin, the S14 was developed using data and knowledge gained from BMW's engines in the short liver Group B rally. The S14 doesn't share any parts with any other BMW...

The BRZ is incredibly slow.. My 04 R53 with light bolt ons is a lot quicker than the BRZ.
Our E30 M3 was putting down 215whp completely stock, a BRZ would take a pretty ugly beating by one. I also can't think of a muscle car that can outperform an E30 M3 around a circuit...
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:23 PM
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Sorry for that double post.. :(
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:31 AM
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I have a vehicle collection that I started in 1952 and it has grown to over 500 vehicles.
You have my attention.

Just a little peek, please.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:42 AM
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you have my attention.

Just a little peek, please.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:49 AM
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If a '69 AMC Gremlin can garner up to $30k.......'ANY' Mini running in 40 or 50 years will be a 'collector'. Just sayin'. Look at what the old VW bugs are getting these days.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:51 AM
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If a '69 AMC Gremlin can garner up to $30k.......'ANY' Mini running in 40 or 50 years will be a 'collector'. Just sayin'. Look at what the old VW bugs are getting these days.
Especially with how often these cars break
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:13 PM
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Apologies for chiming in on an old thread, but I used to think our 03 Cooper S was more funk than a barrel of monkeys, not the best performer by any means, but the total package brings a smile to your face every time you drive it (and occasionally rip it when plod isn't around). Then we acquired a 2005 JCW, in my opinion, the performance is streets ahead of the "stock" Cooper S. Again, the whole package is just way too much fun, even more fun than my 2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4 (not that the JCW is quicker in a straight line, but I am positive it will run rings around the SRT-4 on a road racing track)

Is it an investment? To be honest, I don't really care, I just enjoy the thrill of driving it.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:35 AM
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They will increase in value if you keep it in perfect condition and don't drive it. Low mile or like new cars always bring good dollars at auctions by collectors. That being said only one modern car I can think of has increased in value from new and has held its value even with miles. Ford GT
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That being said only one modern car I can think of has increased in value from new and has held its value even with miles. Ford GT
Find me a BMW 1M that is for sale right now under its original MSRP
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:46 PM
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Z8, Mclaren F1, Zonda, some Vipers; there are many cars that have gone up in value faster than the stuff that had to hit 40 years old before appreciating.

Having said that most any other kind of investment would have been more profitable over the same period with lower annual costs.

Cars are a terrible investment, so is cheese or fuel or DVDs. All however can be purchased and enjoyed in the short term, as they were supposed to.
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Old 03-06-2014, 06:17 AM
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I believe the early 2006 R53 factory JCW has begun to hold it's value albeit it low $$. The used prices appear to be stabilizing and I think it's a good time for the long term, original owners of these vehicles to turn them into Sunday drivers so they will last for a long time.

For these people ownership now becomes the cost of an oil change and a few other minor maintenance routines.

I think the Gen 1 R53 is the closest cousin to the "original" MINI so a good factory JCW worth $10,000 today should rise to $15 - $20,000 in the next ten years. ( so long as it's not a daily driver and everything is left in stock condition )
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:41 PM
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The E30 M3's S14 engine is by far one of the BMW engines that I admire the most. Had a chance to watch my instructor rebuild one for Spec racing and I clearly remember him saying that they were extremely durable and very well engineered for their time.. I don't know what you mean by parts bin, the S14 was developed using data and knowledge gained from BMW's engines in the short liver Group B rally. The S14 doesn't share any parts with any other BMW...
I believe that the S14 4 cylinder engine is the "child" of the venerable 6 cylinder M88 Euro M635CSi/M5 and it's U.S. "brother" the S38. There are a number of internal parts which are interchangeable.
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Find me a BMW 1M that is for sale right now under its original MSRP
....or a '95 BMW M3 Lightweight in decent, un-flogged/un-raced condition.
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:43 PM
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Amen

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05 & 06 R53, in my opinion are the best Mini's they made.
As the owner of an R53 JCW I definitely agree - I looked at quite a few of these
before landing on this one - Mine is as new with under 50K miles - though I do
drive it during the good weather and leave in the garage a few months out of the
year

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LOL. They will be worth nothing, just like a Kiaa and including my GP

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Old 03-13-2014, 07:56 PM
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LOL. They will be worth nothing, just like a Kiaa and including my GP

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I never believed it would become a collectible - They will depreciate like all other things except for a rare few - I don't disagree with you though I suspect you're jesting
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Old 06-10-2014, 03:40 PM
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who cares if it will be a collectible or not. The way I see it, buy it, drive it like you stole it. By the time you are bore with it, decide to mod it, or sell it for something else you like. If you find that you miss it, buy it again LOL
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Take that "collectible" out today and whip the **** out of it and then go and buy a Fabrege egg and smash it.
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Wouldn't the GPs be the true collector's item?
I would think the same as these were limited edition, or are we way off base??
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