JCW Brakes Q's
Anyone interested in a good deal for some JCW brakes/r56 ???
I'm looking to let go of my calipers and rotors, both from r56. They're already even meticulously painted RED ! (but no cross/drill)...
PM me if you're interested !
I'm looking to let go of my calipers and rotors, both from r56. They're already even meticulously painted RED ! (but no cross/drill)...
PM me if you're interested !
The car might see a couple of auto-x events a year with some mountain driving. Its got 102k on it so nothing too outrageous.
I had a chance to pick up goodridge s/s line for $50 so I figured WTH. What fluids would be recommended for my set-up if ATE is "waste of money"
I had a chance to pick up goodridge s/s line for $50 so I figured WTH. What fluids would be recommended for my set-up if ATE is "waste of money"
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Huh? What do you base your opinion on?
Castrol SRF is usually used by big ballers on full on race cars. It is easily 4 times the price of anything else. Seriously expensive stuff. ATE is very cost effective, works and is readily found at most high performance shops. The 2007 STS2 winning Miata used it. Plenty of other similar products that work well also like Motul. Neo makes some good products also.
Castrol SRF is usually used by big ballers on full on race cars. It is easily 4 times the price of anything else. Seriously expensive stuff. ATE is very cost effective, works and is readily found at most high performance shops. The 2007 STS2 winning Miata used it. Plenty of other similar products that work well also like Motul. Neo makes some good products also.
Huh? What do you base your opinion on?
Castrol SRF is usually used by big ballers on full on race cars. It is easily 4 times the price of anything else. Seriously expensive stuff. ATE is very cost effective, works and is readily found at most high performance shops. The 2007 STS2 winning Miata used it. Plenty of other similar products that work well also like Motul. Neo makes some good products also.
Castrol SRF is usually used by big ballers on full on race cars. It is easily 4 times the price of anything else. Seriously expensive stuff. ATE is very cost effective, works and is readily found at most high performance shops. The 2007 STS2 winning Miata used it. Plenty of other similar products that work well also like Motul. Neo makes some good products also.
Here's an article on brake fluid for reference and you can see where ATE ranks.... http://soarer.ace.net.au/brake_fluid.html
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I've seen that article repeated on various sites around the 'net. There is nothing on there to support your claim that "ATE is a waste of money period". 
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you only need a brake fluid that supports as high as the temps the fluid in your car hits. I understand and often subscribe to the strategy of using the best but sometimes the best is just plain overkill. You might want to give the 'track brakes' thread a good read to get some more info on the braking topic.
I track my RX7 (310rwhp 2800lbs wet) often and have measured temps at the rotors, calipers, pads etc. I have never boiled the ATE fluid that I use on track or on the autox. I've tried ATE and Motul and others over the last 20 years of tracking various cars. The only time I noticed a difference from brake fluids was when going from crappy parts store brake fluid to a race type fluid like the above when keeping all else the same.
Autox doesn't stress brakes anywhere near as much as an open track day. On your typical 60 second autox course, you are probably only on brakes for under 20% of that time on average. Lots of autox guys don't even use a pad more aggressive than an HP+ b/c the temps don't rise that much. It doesn't have the highest temps but its not that far off the other fluids.
If you want to use SRF, by all means do so. Keep it fresh and bled. But there are many other good options.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you only need a brake fluid that supports as high as the temps the fluid in your car hits. I understand and often subscribe to the strategy of using the best but sometimes the best is just plain overkill. You might want to give the 'track brakes' thread a good read to get some more info on the braking topic.
I track my RX7 (310rwhp 2800lbs wet) often and have measured temps at the rotors, calipers, pads etc. I have never boiled the ATE fluid that I use on track or on the autox. I've tried ATE and Motul and others over the last 20 years of tracking various cars. The only time I noticed a difference from brake fluids was when going from crappy parts store brake fluid to a race type fluid like the above when keeping all else the same.
Autox doesn't stress brakes anywhere near as much as an open track day. On your typical 60 second autox course, you are probably only on brakes for under 20% of that time on average. Lots of autox guys don't even use a pad more aggressive than an HP+ b/c the temps don't rise that much. It doesn't have the highest temps but its not that far off the other fluids.
If you want to use SRF, by all means do so. Keep it fresh and bled. But there are many other good options.
I've seen that article repeated on various sites around the 'net. There is nothing on there to support your claim that "ATE is a waste of money period".
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you only need a brake fluid that supports as high as the temps the fluid in your car hits. I understand and often subscribe to the strategy of using the best but sometimes the best is just plain overkill. You might want to give the 'track brakes' thread a good read to get some more info on the braking topic.
I track my RX7 (310rwhp 2800lbs wet) often and have measured temps at the rotors, calipers, pads etc. I have never boiled the ATE fluid that I use on track or on the autox. I've tried ATE and Motul and others over the last 20 years of tracking various cars. The only time I noticed a difference from brake fluids was when going from crappy parts store brake fluid to a race type fluid like the above when keeping all else the same.
Autox doesn't stress brakes anywhere near as much as an open track day. On your typical 60 second autox course, you are probably only on brakes for under 20% of that time on average. Lots of autox guys don't even use a pad more aggressive than an HP+ b/c the temps don't rise that much. It doesn't have the highest temps but its not that far off the other fluids.
If you want to use SRF, by all means do so. Keep it fresh and bled. But there are many other good options.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you only need a brake fluid that supports as high as the temps the fluid in your car hits. I understand and often subscribe to the strategy of using the best but sometimes the best is just plain overkill. You might want to give the 'track brakes' thread a good read to get some more info on the braking topic.
I track my RX7 (310rwhp 2800lbs wet) often and have measured temps at the rotors, calipers, pads etc. I have never boiled the ATE fluid that I use on track or on the autox. I've tried ATE and Motul and others over the last 20 years of tracking various cars. The only time I noticed a difference from brake fluids was when going from crappy parts store brake fluid to a race type fluid like the above when keeping all else the same.
Autox doesn't stress brakes anywhere near as much as an open track day. On your typical 60 second autox course, you are probably only on brakes for under 20% of that time on average. Lots of autox guys don't even use a pad more aggressive than an HP+ b/c the temps don't rise that much. It doesn't have the highest temps but its not that far off the other fluids.
If you want to use SRF, by all means do so. Keep it fresh and bled. But there are many other good options.
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