Originally Posted by Agro

I really like the fact that this wing uses the original mounting points. I'm all about reversible mods. And drilling holes in my (or someone else's) MINI sends shudders down my spine.

Originally Posted by Fireball Tim

As before, everyone's opinion is welcome and appreciated.

Originally Posted by Fireball Tim

As before, everyone's opinion is welcome and appreciated. It's not for everyone. As for comments concerning the sites and the brand as a whole, time will tell as to whether it's accepted and whether you all think the products are of the best quality and not a joke. And since my background and main stable is film, it's about telling a story. Not all will get it or even want to. But it is interesting how we all walk out of a hundred million dollar film and trash it. Even I do it sometimes without realizing the work that went into making it and the many people involved at trying too do thier best.

But what's important is to realize that what's gone into making something is always a lot of work. Months, sometimes years. Not to compare this wing to a huge film, but the item as well as the website elements took many hours and stand for a reason. And not for all necessarily to understand.

I'm eager to see the response too thee real thing on MTTS. Thanks to everyone and keep 'em comin.'

Originally Posted by ImagoX

I agree with what you said, bar10girl re: innovation. Kudos to anyone that takes the risk to make cool new stuff for our cars. However, he DID ask what people thought, so really, I'd think that any feedback from people not only telling him that they wouldn't use or purchase it but also what specifically is driving that decision would be valuable (or, at least, I'd hope so). I'm a product manager in my workaday job, and I know that the fastest way to drive yourself into the ground is to sink huge resources into a product that has tons of "gee whiz!" ultra-cool features, but which misses the mark on what the potential CUSTOMER wants and needs. As such, there's really no such thing as "unconstructive" criticism - it'a all data. What the porduct designer DOES with that data is where the rubber meets the road, if you will.

Most of MY comments, by contrast, were probably more useful to a marketing person (which is the other hat a product manager usually has to wear).

SpiderX: Yes, it's true that creation is hard, but not everything that's created has equal value. Some things are, simply put, a Very Bad Idea (pet rocks, spray-on-hair, etc.) Not saying that this is anywhere NEAR that class, but...

Originally Posted by Fireballed Tuls

and it's contoured to the roof line in a way that really compliments the car...

Originally Posted by Fireballed Tuls

Everything everone has said is great... as imagoX said... it's all data...

one thing that is hard to gauge from the pics is the size of the wing... in person it's not really that big... and it's contoured to the roof line in a way that really compliments the car...

I have heard from numerous people now that they didn't like it when they saw the pics... thought it was too big...ricey... etc Then after having seen it in person loved it...

all in all it's one thing...if you love it... great! if you hate it... great! lol... it's all what's for you...

Originally Posted by chows4us

Well you asked

Its good it uses the OEM holes

On the other side ...

• Way to big in perspective with the car ... unless you have emperical evidence to actual downforce produce in pounds. For example, the Exige wing is supposed to produce somethin like 120 pounds of downforce at speed and the Exige is stickier around the track than the Elise mostly because of the wing.
• The silly cartoon and advertising on the sides of the wing got to go. If you want to advertise the manufacturer, then you add a sticker, but dont want one forced on me. The advertising alone would stop me from buying it, not the price.

Originally Posted by ImagoX

If you want my honest opinion, Fireball Tim, I'd drop all the "Welcome to fireballed.com, yo!" stuff. Honestly , it makes you come across as fanbois, not manufacturing pros. I'd think twice about buying a $700 product from someone that can't even make a website that uses proper English. Maybe that makes me a snob, but I highly doubt that you'll ever hear anyone say "Well, I was intrigued by that site's products, but in the end I decided to not buy it beause they came across as so competent and professional on their web site". It just ain't ever gonna happen.


I'd also hire a real web designer and lose the black web site with the visually annoying multicolored text thing - it was really hot back in 1996 but now it just looks amateur. That's fine if I'm thinking of ordering $50 in novelty products but it's not a place I'd be comfortable sending several HUNDRED dollars to. Again - maybe I'm a snob, but you do only have one chance to make a good impression, and you have to ask yourself what lingering impression a customer is going to have after a 30 second scan of your web site. Mine was "this stuff is for kids".


I know you wanted comments on the PRODUCT, but honestly, I never got that far... I got on the site, browsed for a few minutes and then left because it seemed like a site for guys that like to slap neon all over their POS Honda (tagged as an Accura), sorry.