>>Sorry guys! The MCS with the JCW kit being installed on Wednesday is NOT EB! I should have taken bets on this.
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>>The owner even came by the Mini Mart that day!

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My second guess is Pure Silver w/ bonnet stripes

 

Hey guys, my MCS is blue- although i am color blind (really). i was serious considering the JCW package told MINI HI I was interested, was getting firm prices from Mark but decided today to pass on it. So i'm back to thinking of pulley install and which exhaust to go with. Thought the install for wednesday was silver MCS that was at tech session at BME.

 

>>Hey guys, my MCS is blue- although i am color blind (really). i was serious considering the JCW package told MINI HI I was interested, was getting firm prices from Mark but decided today to pass on it. So i'm back to thinking of pulley install and which exhaust to go with. Thought the install for wednesday was silver MCS that was at tech session at BME.

Oh well. There goes my DINAN challenge partner. I'm not sure about the silver MCS we saw. He was a new owner and had his two sons with him. Hope he has fun. Might be interesting. Not sure he has the 1200 miles for breakin and with a newly installed JCW kit don't you have to start another 1200 miles for breakin??? I'd be worried taking it onto the track.

bgrpph-
Sorry to hear you aren't getting the kit. I guess you save double the money because now you don't have to buy the diamonds either. So roughly $12,000 saved. I could tell my daughter to skip a year of college and save over three times that. All cash up front. Someday someone will come up with a good system. There are already some innovative payment plans out there but not all schools participate and the problem is you don't know which school you will get in at either. A universal plan of prepayment with interest building that is tax deductible or deferred would be ideal. Then any school could draw from the account in the future.

OK I am still waiting on my wheels with no tracking system to tell where they are. I have two and two are missing.
No lugs, no centerrings yet. I did order with you from Eurosport and even got the Broadway mirror in Blue. Pretty good and gives me a wide view.

Thinking seriously of the pulley and might not wait until a pulley party can be arranged. Might just buy the alta pulley and a set of pulley pulling tools then charge a little for others to borrow the tools and get it all installed at Sonic. They have done the pulley before. Just got to lift out the engine. No heating. easier to install. No ECU yet, maybe later as a group buy or when the price drops.

 

Minihune, I received response from Centerline on my centering hub post on MINI2 few days ago. They said centerbore of their wheels is indeed 72.62 which is what were ordered for us. Also spoke to Randy on monday who checked the size on his MCS- 56.15 is correct- so the hubs we'll get from eurosport are correct 72.62x 56.15-
Also talked to Randy about Alta pulley and his puller- lets talk when you return- he's also close to final on another ECU upgrade that will also do affect throttle mapping and can be downloaded locally from laptop thru OBII- he send cord and privacy plug and you do it locally- i'm ready- also anxiously awaiting Dinan stuff.

 

OK we can go for the pulley and ECU upgrade together with Randy- maybe get a good package price- he'll also give his upgrade badge thing with a number I believe- just ask him. Will be leaving soon and be back Aug 12.

I think your centerring will work fine, Have fun on the track. Did your S-03 s come in from Costco? If so then you can get them mounted and balanced soon. Drive them a bit to break them in for the track. Maybe 200-300 miles. Let them heat up and cool down.

If you can try weighing your rims and tires separately. My centerlines with Yokohama ES100 s were 37 pounds which were more than the 34 or 35 I was expecting.

 

>> My centerlines with Yokohama ES100 s were 37 pounds which were more than the 34 or 35 I was expecting.

 

Minihune, 215/40/17 SO 3 tires came in from costco last week & had them mounted-to late to weigh. Picked up centering rings from Eurosport today from our Sat order. They fit perfectly and rims are on the car- the difference in handling is so noticable- car rides much less harsh even with 215/40 and corners sooooo much better with no tire squeel at all- its like on rails. Its really like a new car in corners and less harsh on bumps. Now i'll have to get some of the slime flat tire fix to carry around just in case-its only $30 or so instead of the $65 moss wants for the kit. I love the set up - not sure i like the pearl black color at all (its really grey)-but ... rims are so open that i'll have to pretty up the rotors, calipers, etc up that you can now see. The collars for the madness sway bar also came and are on so i've got functioning rear bar instead of one sliding around side to side.
Did you must receive your last 2 tires/rims? Presume centering hubs were included in yours as Eurosport told me you cancelled your order for hubs. have good trip.!!

 

Aloha Hui,

The second JCW package was completed yesterday on the PS/B MCS. I'm curious to find out the results from the run at the Aloha 500.
Sorry I couldn't make the event, but I have MINIma on vacation, and Esoteric there.
The owner of the PS/B JCW MCS said he was going to take it easy, not really wanting to push it on the debut. Keep us posted if anyone has seen the runs.

MINIkahuna

 

We looked for the JCW MCS today at the wet & wild Aloha 500 but he was no show. Had hoped to see it go- oh well next time.

 

Reports last night were that he probably wouldn't show as he was worried about breaking in the car.

As for Esoteric, he did a great job as the MINI tent helped to shelter us from the rain and drinks were plentiful.

 

now, just thinking...if the jcw doesn't address suspension, would it be wise/beneficial to do some upgrading here? ie., springs, shocks, etc. how about braking with the additional power? just pads, or rotors and pads? steel brake lines? how about rear sway bar? and of course, wheels and tires?

or would all this ruin the jcw package?

just thinking/wondering.

 

Are you getting the track bug after the Aloha 500?

The stock MCS suspension is very good. Leave it that way and learn to drive it. Once you near the suspension's limits, then you can modify it.

The best bang for your buck is to invest in the driver. If you were at Spring Fling you would have seen an E30 318ic lap the entire field in the advanced group. That group included an LT1 Corvette!

 

I think beastmaster is right.
However rear sway bar (according to Randy at mini motorsports is biggest handling improvement)- Ditching the run flats and getting normal performance tires made a big difference in my car. Ride is much smoother on street & handling is so much better. I should have gotten tires earlier.- definitely an improvements you can appreciate even with only a few track events a year.
From what i've been told for a few track events a year, change pads to street/performance ones (ferodo, etc) & fluid to ATE blue or motul- if you have $ rotors can be changed also shipping here is expensive. guess all this depends on how much track/street your car will see.

 

No matter which MC or MCS you have with JCW kit or not it is always a good investment to go to Driving school. The skill you learn helps you use the full potential of the car.

Before you upgrade anything you should learn how to drive better. There is much to learn and each time you do the driving school you can get more experience esp from the instructors.

If you have the JCW kit on an MCS it is fine the way it is. If you add the suspension upgrades you can do more on corners and push it harder- but also at the risk of pushing too much and loosing control. A good instructor in your stock MC or MCS will show you how large the performance envelope is on your car. Once you see that then you will see that it is not our cars that are holding us back- it is ourselves and our skill at driving.

 

Just a fast question about JCW KIT installed. It is said by Mike Cooper both online and magazine articles, that
"athough the the performance has been upgraded there is no change in fuel economy.And under normal driving conditions it will actually improve."

MY thinking would tell me that, more performance and air to engine requires more fuel intake as well. I have the JCK kit and my fuel MPG have gone down.Now I'm not mesuring from the on board computer but actual miles drivin for gallons at fill-up. I now average about 19 MPG wehr as before conversion I was getting between 24-27 MPG. Driving habits not changed so I am wondering if mine is tuned incorrectly or is this just the way it is. Any thoughts from other JCW owners who have had a chance to track their mileage?

 

There are a few people who say that after the pulley upgrade the mpg is better. Most people report that mpg is down after the JCW kit upgrade. If you think that you are driving the same and with the equal amount of city driving and still the mpg is down that much then I would take it to the dealership to have it checked for anything else that might affect mpg. 19 seems low to me if you are doing mixed city and hwy driving. Should be more like 25 or more. MCS alone should get about 27 ro 28 mpg in mixed driving.

 

I would think that the pulley upgrade and the JCW install would increase fuel consumption. This is due to the fact that your fuel/air ratio will increase with the increased boost from the SC. The JCW kit would have even greater consumption as it has a new cylinder head with larger valves that provide more fuel and air to the motor.

 

i am considering the jcw kit when i get my mcs in oct. time. however, if mpg go down drastically, ie. <20 mpg, i would most likely not do it. that would be comparable to my automatic nissan p/u. and one reason why i bought my present mc was the fact that it got pretty good gas mileage despite being auto/cvt.

i am very interested in this topic - mpg for mcs with jcw kit. please, everyone, contribute what knowlege/exprience you have. i expected some decrease in mpg with the jcw, but not 7-9 mpg less, which to me is quite significant.

 

I have about 400 miles since the JCW install and I have been observing about 23 mpg; maybe a drop of 1 to 2 mpg from before. Its not run in as of yet so this could improve. I expect some improvement once I change out my stock 17" wheels to a lighter wheel tire combo also.

 

HIPilot,

Welcome to MCO. 400 miles in 1 week? WOW! You must be having fun with your JCW MCS. We missed you at the Aloha 500, but hope to see you at Spring Fling. I'm working with the SCCA to see if we can put on a 1 day Car Control Clinic for all those interested.

 

Recently bgrpph drove kbseto's BRG/W JCW kit MCS and found it to be quite good.
Smooth, balanced and energetic. Light 16" wheels probably were a big plus.

This is quite a tribute to the JCW MCS since bgrpph drives a very quick MCS.
Eric from Helix13 drove bgrpph's MINI and said it was a very very nice setup.

I hope the DINAN upgrades are on par and cost less. Maybe only less than a month from arriving.

 

Mahalo for resurrecting this thread
I was able to briefly test drive a JCW MCS and a modified JCW MCS
The modded JCW was just as linear with better audible nuances: headers and CAI. Had trick suspension, too, which improved an already good set up.

BTW,

 

Yes, there is a JCW kit for the MC. It is rather pricey for 11hp. I believe the cost is projected to be @ $2.5k plus installation. Here is the link. http://cairns.mistral.co.uk/cgi-bin/...ersions_FS.htm

 

The JCW kit for the MC is a viable option especially if you like the warranty to stay intact.
Included are:
Fully machined CNC heads
JCW exhaust for the MC
ECU software tuning
Air filter cartridge
JCW badging for the engine and exterior.

Additional HP comes on about 4500 to 5600 rpm
Additional torque blip at 2500 and again at 4500 to 5600 rpm
Enough to tell the difference I have a feeling.

For the PDF of the kit for the MC:
http://www.mini.com/COM/en/planetmin...INI_COOPER.pdf.


As I was doing a search for info on the JCW kit for the MC I found this email in another forum:
"E-mail from Paul Cooper of John Cooper Works":

Dear Sir
Thank you for your enquiry. Please find detailed below pricing for the parts you are interested in. Please note that all of these parts are intended for racing use and are such branded ‘John Cooper Motorsport’. This means they are not under the BMW approved ‘John Cooper Works’ umbrella and as such will void the MINI warranty. The JCM Exhaust system for the Cooper S is not available yet and as such we do not have pricing for these, although we hope this will not be too long now. We will have a few options but the best system for racing will be a complete system including manifold and straight through cat pipe to a 2” twin silencer. We also hope to have an open air filter but this could be a little longer in development.

LSD Diff (Cooper S) £495.00
Bilstein Suspension Kit £838.74

Above items are subject to shipping charges and vat (where applicable) and are in stock. If you wish to place an order please provide your full name, address, telephone no. etc. We can only accept payment by Bank transfer for this amount.

Hope this is of some help to you.

Regards
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Interesting that the warranty for the JCW motorsports will not be part of the JCW kit warranty items even if ordered together. Of course your dealer can come up with their own interpretation of warranty if they do the install.

The alternative to the JCW kit for the MC is the DINAN kit for the MC but that is not out yet and will be awhile since the DINAN kit for the MCS is still not out but due soon. Prices for the DINAN upgrades will be lower, will maintain warranty with DINAN outlets and will include a few more mods (like an upgraded throttlebody it is rumored).

 

Oh man, you guys in the Pacific make me jealous. I spent some time at Tripler (the giant pink Army hospital overlooking Honolulu) as a nurse. My Mini arrives in May - oh to be driving one THERE! That's the life...