GP Talk (2006) Discussion of the limited edition, MINI Cooper S (R53)-based, John Cooper Works GP.

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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 08:12 AM
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Has anyone flashed the ECU on their GPs

I am wondering if their is a flash for the ecu specialized for the Gp.
Ive been looking for someone that has done it, but there is no one .

If anyone knows of where I can get a flash for the Gp, just respond to the post.
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 11:15 PM
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Confirmed at MINI of Universal City, the GP does have it's own flash. I've been told it makes the throttle a bit more crisp.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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No, God, no......... I would never THINK about doing that!
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkyMarkGP
I am wondering if their is a flash for the ecu specialized for the Gp.
Ive been looking for someone that has done it, but there is no one .

If anyone knows of where I can get a flash for the Gp, just respond to the post.
Thanks
Reading your post, I think you were asking if there were any AFTERMARKET flashes for the ECU. There's no reason why anyone would specialize a flash just for the GP, the car would benefit just as much as any modified car from a tune
 
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 10:49 PM
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Yea I found one by MTH http://essentialmini.co.uk/MINIMTH.htm
I have no idea how to buy it tho.. lol
 
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by simplekid15
Yea I found one by MTH http://essentialmini.co.uk/MINIMTH.htm
I have no idea how to buy it tho.. lol

I dont know either, plus its in euro so I dont even know the conversion to USD. But thanks for the research
 
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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I dont know either, plus its in euro so I dont even know the conversion to USD. But thanks for the research
1 Euro = 1.36249 U.S. dollar

That's the symbol for Pound's sterling, not euro's 1 British pounds = 1.9985 U.S. dollars
 

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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 10:14 AM
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Yea I found one by MTH http://essentialmini.co.uk/MINIMTH.htm
I have no idea how to buy it tho.. lol
Any authorized MTH dealer should have access to this program. Keep in mind, the GP is just another MINI with a bigger intercooler, pulley, intake, and exhaust. The MTH file works the same as any other tune you put on the car, you say what mods you have, and they build a custom tune for it.

There's no reason to have a GP specific tune. The GP has no inherent special properties that require a tune used only for it. Your "GP Tune" is the same tune anyone with a normal MCS that has an intercooler, pulley, intake, and exhaust would get . I'd mention the head but the JCW head is such a joke it's not even worth mentioning. They slap it on there just to justify the cost.

I haven't had good luck with MTH in the past, it threw my AF WAY out of wack, and in all honesty didn't do a damn thing other than raise the rev limiter. Don't waste your money on silly flashes, go out and get your car dyno tuned and spend the extra money. You'll be glad you did . People have reported 20+ HP from a dyno tune .
 
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Old May 1, 2007 | 04:48 AM
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Do you know of any good dyno tuning in NJ
 
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Old May 1, 2007 | 09:35 AM
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The GP does indeed get a different tune from the factory from the normal JCW. They are different numbers in the system, and it will only work on ECU's after mid 05....
 
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Old May 1, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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Do you know of any good dyno tuning in NJ
your posts hurt my brain.
 
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Old May 1, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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lucky dog garage in DC, or thereabouts. Not sure what part of NJ your from, but should only be a couple hour trip, and probably well worth it from what i hear.

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Old May 31, 2007 | 10:57 AM
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lucky dog garage in DC, or thereabouts. Not sure what part of NJ your from, but should only be a couple hour trip, and probably well worth it from what i hear.

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I will have to second that. i got their tune on my JCW, and it's great!
 
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Old May 31, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Beecher
lucky dog garage in DC, or thereabouts. Not sure what part of NJ your from, but should only be a couple hour trip, and probably well worth it from what i hear.

Beecher
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I will have to second that. i got their tune on my JCW, and it's great!
+1 to that, although I havn't had any work done at LDG, it is spoken of VERY highly. There was even someone who came down from Canada to get their tune done.
 
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Old May 31, 2007 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkyMarkGP
Do you know of any good dyno tuning in NJ
Originally Posted by minimusprime
your posts hurt my brain.
So does his lights.
 
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Old May 31, 2007 | 03:30 PM
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Luck Dog Garage reflash thread: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=90769
 
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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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I have a flash for the GP but of all the models Mini produced the GP is superior. What this means is that with the GP a lot of the gains available have been addressed from the factory so the delta of before and after is not as large as with the other models including the JCW cars. It still will benefit from a flash and yield higher output it's just starting from a higher level. You can pm me for details.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by luckydoggarage
I have a flash for the GP but of all the models Mini produced the GP is superior. What this means is that with the GP a lot of the gains available have been addressed from the factory so the delta of before and after is not as large as with the other models including the JCW cars. It still will benefit from a flash and yield higher output it's just starting from a higher level. You can pm me for details.
PM'd!
 
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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If I had my ECU updated, I'd want a more linear throttle. I feel like the GP's ECU is set up so that all the throttle is in the first 1/2 or less of the travel. This makes the car jumpy and exciting, but I'm having more trouble being smooth with the throttle than i had with my 480HP blown m coupe, which is something of a surprise. I don't feel this way in my wife's cooper S. I probably wouldn't mind on the street, but I track this car and smoothness is everything on the track.

A linear throttle was a benefit of the conforti shark injector for my m coupe. Before, the throttle was pretty flat (think parking) for about the first half, then there was essentially an ON switch (think VOOOM!). After, throttle was linear and control was vastly improved. No HP gain at all, but the car was a million times better on the track. I don't know if anyone can do this for the GP.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by johnmdanskin
If I had my ECU updated, I'd want a more linear throttle. I feel like the GP's ECU is set up so that all the throttle is in the first 1/2 or less of the travel. This makes the car jumpy and exciting, but I'm having more trouble being smooth with the throttle than i had with my 480HP blown m coupe, which is something of a surprise. I don't feel this way in my wife's cooper S. I probably wouldn't mind on the street, but I track this car and smoothness is everything on the track.

A linear throttle was a benefit of the conforti shark injector for my m coupe. Before, the throttle was pretty flat (think parking) for about the first half, then there was essentially an ON switch (think VOOOM!). After, throttle was linear and control was vastly improved. No HP gain at all, but the car was a million times better on the track. I don't know if anyone can do this for the GP.
this sounds like you are talking about the torque curve on the car. yes, stock it does seem to jump more one you get half through the powerband. with the LDG tune, your torque gets bumped up down in the mid range of the powerband leading to a much more smoother powerband. the extra torque down low is a lot more fun too.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bluminiboy
this sounds like you are talking about the torque curve on the car. yes, stock it does seem to jump more one you get half through the powerband. with the LDG tune, your torque gets bumped up down in the mid range of the powerband leading to a much more smoother powerband. the extra torque down low is a lot more fun too.
I'm actually thinking about the throttle map, not the torque curve. Mini has a fly by wire throttle, allowing any throttle response at any pedal position.

Most cars with fly-by-wire throttles have most of the range allocated to relatively low throttle settings, allowing fine and easy adjustments when normally driving. They then have a steep ramp from about 1/2 throttle to full throttle, in say the last 1/4 of the accelerator pedal: on the street, you are usually either making fairly delicate adjustments at low throttle, or you are pulling on to the fwy or racing to that next light. Hardly anyone needs a lot of fine throttle resolution between 3/4 and 7/8 throttle.

As far as I can tell, the mini cooper S has a relatively normal throttle mapping conforming to the above.

As far as I can tell, the mini GP has an unusual throttle mapping where you get to 2/3 or 3/4 real throttle in the first 1/2 of accelerator travel. This gives you a very jumpy car which is fun to drive, but it can be hard to roll on the throttle very smoothly. Certainly I'm having a hard time driving my new GP as smoothly as I can drive my wife's cooper S or as smoothly as I was able to drive my blown m coupe. Some of this is practice, but I'm an advanced HPDE student and I should really be able to drive this car smoothly if I'm trying. I'll get there, but I'd still rather have a linear throttle map.


Probably LDG could give me the linear throttle map. They aren't near rhode island, but I have an excuse to go to baltimore sometimes, so maybe I can visit.

-j
 
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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has anyone worked with detroit tuned? They have a custom chip for $800. Looks like you can do trial and error with them on your throttle mappings for $20/pop which isn't bad. This would include the update for those straight pipes, the cams, the turbo, and the 200 shot wet nitrous setup you need to get to that next light before that viper.
 
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