Just wondering if you feel cheated out of your money now that you know that they were not specially designed by a guy in Munich for Palo Uber?

I just want to know because these are the type of flags some of us here are trying to raise and inform people about.

 

yes.

 

hahahah ownd!!!

 

BTW Your NEW TDR White PR1's look good

 

Hi Carol,

Is the Winter Black color supposed to be an anthracite grey / dark charcoal grey?

Got my rims, but they're definitely not black.

 

I wouldn't want to buy a counterfeit of a Palo Uber wheel. Can you describe what distinctive details to look for?

I do read the legal publications but haven't come across your filing for design infringement. Where did you file, and whom was it against?

 

bump for an answer from Palo Uber.

 

Wow great response, real mature, I choose to post so i can be of help to others that may become victims of this deception, I'll make sure to return the favor when it happens to you!!

 

he wasnt referring to you. he was referring to palo uber. what rally meant is that someone else caught them lying. don't be mistaken, i know rally personally and he didnt mean it that way.

edit: he doesnt need anyone defending him, i just happened upon your post and didnt want you getting all sore about it

 

Is it just me, or has the "New Palo Uber Wide Arches" thread been deleted (all ~250 posts of it)? Not just locked, but obliterated entirely - it's like it never even existed.

True, a lot of the posts (especially mine) were critical of PU and the claims they've made here and on their site, but there was no name-calling, no flame-baiting, and the discussion was civil. But the thread is gone, with not so much as a warning or even a comment from any of the moderators before it happened.

 

it doesnt really matter anymore. they're not selling the kit so it's no longer much of a debate.

 

True, but the discussion had moved far beyond their misrepresentation of the Konigseder kit as their own, and on to a variety of other dubious claims, conflicting statements, and misleading practices.

I could understand if the moderators had issued a warning, or moved the thread to the general MINI forum or even into Off-Topic, but their simply wiping it from existence has me puzzled.

 

yah, not really directed at you.....just trying to make people aware that there ARE people being scammed who arent happy about it. Sorry for upsetting you if i did.

 

It *MAY* just be under review. I don't get why they don't offer a page that dispays the status & reasoning when they take a thread down.

 

the board has to protect it's income source! </sarcasm>

 

You know, though I smell something fishy (lol) with the wheels, they are correct.

In the 911 world, there are all sorts of knockoffs of the original fuchs wheel, as well as the C2 wheels (borbet). There are pressure cast versions of the original fully forged wheels (fuchs) and heavy as boat anchor versions of the C2 wheels. They are visually indistinguishable from one another unless you look at the hub mount area. Automotion sells the knock off italian fuchs for nearly as much as you can get a nice reconditioned set of genuine wheels for.

I'm not trying to be the pal/pawn of "big business", just thought someone would be interested.

 

Palo's own remarks here sure give me a bad feeling about the company. Worry about building a better product, not lawsuits.

 

Well ... no one still seems to be able to answer my question about what Winter Black is actually.

I'm told the rims are indeed Winter Black, but they are definitely not black. More of a dark anthracite / charcoal grey.

At any rate, the rims won't work for the car for what I wanted to do, so I'll return them.

Do I feel cheated? Not so much really. More miscommunicated about a color. The price wasn't too bad and the weight was what I was looking for.

Ok, so it looks like Sportmag (or is it Sportmax) produces an identical rim or PU is just repackaging and selling the same rim. Big deal... Many do this for other cars as well. Seems to be the industry that drives this. Not sure.

Anyway, the service was rather excellent though. Hopefully that will hold true when I call to return these.

 

no worries, all good!!

 

good luck, that is what i went thru and returning 1 wheel was a pain, let alone 4, they sent me a grey wheel when all of my other wheels were black, sent them a pic of the wheels and was accused of being color blind, then i ship them the wheel and don't get it back until 2 weeks later.
Again good luck and hope you get your money back.
I understand packaging and re-selling/rebadging products, Bang and olufsen does that, they use other manufacturers technology rebadges them and sells them an arm and a leg, but at least they re-design the product and you will pay for something that is unique!!
again good luck!

 

PM Sent

 

I think your completely missing why people are upset. People aren't upset by the fact that it appears everything Palo Uber sells is actually something another company makes, just with a Palo Uber logo on it. That happens all the time as you say. People aren't neccessarily complaining about the service they receive either.

What annoys some of us is that they continue to deny they are doing this, and continue to claim each item as some sort of exclusive design/product that was designed by their very own made-up reclusive artist "Palo Uber", thus justifying the rediculous premium on their products. They have gone so far as to have claimed they are bringing up a lawsuit against sportmax, a company selling the same exact wheels as them. I bet lots of businesses based out of homes can afford to do that...which leads us to their continued misleading claims about where their company is based. Mailbox Etc. addresses don't count Palo Uber, where your tax filings are made do.

But hey, the market is what it is. If people want to believe the claims and advertising of Palo Uber and decide to buy their products, it is their own money to spend. It just annoys those of us who don't like to see their fellow man/woman misled, or those of us who ourselves were misled at some point into buying something of theirs.

 

Ok, makes more sense.

My problem here is strictly the color. I really could care less about claims, exclusivety, or anything like that. But I see how some folks would get frustrated if that was important to them.

I was expecting black and black I did not get. Got some anthracite / charcoal grey. Not black.

Even tried seeing what it would look like anyway, so I don't have to return these. No dice. Simply not working for what I wanted. Rims need to be black.

So the misleading thing is the name they gave these rims. Winter Black.

I'm more concerned about the experience from msb2tg. Returning these should be a snap. If not, well ... I guess my card company will have fun with that.

 

I wouldn't trust anyone named Palo Uber, just my .02

I digress

Let us not forget the whole Palo Uber arches debacle... Look at it from a marketing perspective. Private Branding is fine as long as the original manufacturer knows of it.

 

Was there something to suggest that the original manufacturers are not aware of rebranding? The notion has been mentioned a few times, and I don't understand exactly why. It is even common to have the manufacturer provide a product already rebranded.

UBeenMiniD: Out of curiosity, what identifying marks do the wheels have, e.g. country of manufacture, model number, etc.?