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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 09:03 AM
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Car & Driver comparo test

In "next month's" Car and Driver, they did a test of the VW GTI, the R56 MCS, the WRX, the Nissan Sentra Type-V and MazdaSpeed3.

(its not yet on their website)

What I find interesting is that they didn't test a Civic SI as well...
Anyway, the MCS finished 3rd, but their logic doesn't make sence... having just finished the same test drive.

Their writeups were painfully short...

I found the Mazda to be quite plasticy, and never took a test drive of the WRX b/c the salesmen were SO annoying. I didn't even look at the Nissan.

I found the VW to be quite a bit heavier (and heavier feeling) than the MCS, but nice overall... but their electrical problems (and resale) really scared me off... besides, I like the way the MCS handled better (and C&D didn't... but they LOVE Hondas, and I just can't quite seem to get over the same feeling driving one of those that I get when operating a really good blender.)

Anyway, I am letting my subsciption run out...
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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Has anyone ever accused Car & Advertiser of making sense???
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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So which cars came in 1st & 2nd?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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I read the magazine as I find it humorous. And it is difficult to find good writing which also happens to be humorous.

"Good writing" in this particular context meaning the style of writing. The over-the-top usage of cliche's and analogies are humorous to me.

As long as any magazine relies on advertising as a primary means of income, there will always be bias.

Although the C&D guys seem to really adore BMW and Ferrari to the point of making excuses for them when they do badly in any area. They also feel the Mini is not a car, but a toy. They simply do not take it seriously. Of course, I have to wonder if that attitude is not appropriate?
 

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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Skuzzy
I read the magazine as I find it humorous. And it is difficult to find good writting which also happens to be humorous.

"Good writting" in this particular context meaning the style of writting. The over-the-top usage of cliche's and analogies are humorous to me.

As long as any magazine relies on advertising as a primary means of income, there will always be bias.

Although the C&D guys seem to really adore BMW and Ferrari to the point of making excuses for them when they do badly in any area. They also feel the Mini is not a car, but a toy. They simply do not take it seriously. Of course, I have to wonder if that attitude is not appropriate?
Is writting the past tense of writing? You are right about the excuse thing. A few years ago, they gave the BMW the win even when its auto trans would not shift correctly. The only reason to read their comparos is for the humor. If there's a BMW in it, it's gonna win no matter what.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:26 AM
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Hey, I never claimed to be a spelling wiz. I have the vocabulary, I can use it, for the most part, but my spelling/grammar is atroscious.

My professor once told me, "You have the talent to be a world class writer, but your lack of desire to use a Webster's will be your undoing." My response was, "It is not a lack of desire which impedes me. It is the mere fact, I am too self-absorbed to notice the problem."

Yes, in a recent comparo, the BMW won against a Lexus. Even though the BMW had a ton of electrical problems, the transimission was acting up, and there was a klunk coming from the suspension. They excused it.

The only remotely negative thing they had to say about the Lexus, was, "It just did not make us feel connected to the road." Yeah, the BWM did that in spades, especially when they had to call a tow truck once.
 

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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:26 AM
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Is writting the past tense of writing? ...
I always thought writting to be a more formal style of writing
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:35 AM
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Ok, I see how its going to be. That's ok. I have been pig-piled by some of the best. Give it your best shot.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Doesn't writting have something to do with habeas corpusing?

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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Skuzzy
Hey, I never claimed to be a spelling wiz. I have the vocabulary, I can use it, for the most part, but my spelling/grammar is atroscious.

My professor once told me, "You have the talent to be a world class writer, but your lack of desire to use a Webster's will be your undoing." My response was, "It is not a lack of desire which impedes me. It is the mere fact, I am too self-absorbed to notice the problem."

Yes, in a recent comparo, the BMW won against a Lexus. Even though the BMW had a ton of electrical problems, the transimission was acting up, and there was a klunk coming from the suspension. They excused it.

The only remotely negative thing they had to say about the Lexus, was, "It just did not make us feel connected to the road." Yeah, the BWM did that in spades, especially when they had to call a tow truck once.
No offence, Skuzzy, just couldn't resist. I make plenty of speeling moosetakes myself.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by erickvonzipper
Doesn't writting have something to do with habeas corpusing?

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I thought it was ravenous corpusing
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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No offense taken. I was all ready to have some real fun with it. Yes, everyone makes a good typo every now and then. I was just going to bide my time until you guys make your next one and then be all over it like flies to honey (would have said 'poop' but I just ate lunch and it did not sound funny).

My mistake was not so much a typo though. I just flat out screwed up.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:51 AM
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Well, that should be on my next poest!
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Ohhhh noooo. It's not that easy.

You are dealing with someone who has been waiting for almost a month for production date for his Mini. Patience, I have, cooked you will be.
 

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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:02 AM
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Okay, Yodel
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:10 AM
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No offense taken. I was all ready to have some real fun with it. Yes, everyone makes a good typo every now and then....
ooohhh I have the best typo ever story.

I FAXED our to a customer:
I do not yet have a firm ship date but I expect to have one soon for the toilet partitions.

(only I typoed a "T" for the "P" in ship ) I never would have known but the customer laughed so hard & showed it all around the office that they had to call & tell me
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:15 AM
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I used to write legal dorkuments. I accidentally typed "Dear Horrible Judge ...." instead of Honorable. Good thing he had a sense of humor.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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Well, we are going OT now, why not?

I was visiting in Japan a while back, checking a factory for some issues the company I worked for was having.

There was this manufacturing robot which had leaked a bit of lubricant and was getting it on the product. I accidently found it with my hand.

So I hollered over to the floor manager to bring me a towel, so I "could wipe this gook off".

It took me all of 3 seconds to realize what I had said and where I was. I politely asked if it was ok to have the robot pound me into the production line. They were all laughing about it. But man, I wanted to crawl under something and not come out.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Skuzzy
Well, we are going OT now, why not?

I was visiting in Japan a while back, checking a factory for some issues the company I worked for was having.

There was this manufacturing robot which had leaked a bit of lubricant and was getting it on the product. I accidently found it with my hand.

So I hollered over to the floor manager to bring me a towel, so I "could wipe this gook off".

It took me all of 3 seconds to realize what I had said and where I was. I politely asked if it was ok to have the robot pound me into the production line. They were all laughing about it. But man, I wanted to crawl under something and not come out.
Shouldn't have worried, unless you said you wanted to *** that in the bud. Now, if you were in Korea.....
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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Well gee. I had nothing to worry about after all. Cool. Geography and history are not strong suits of mine either.

Dunt(tm) ask me what my strong suits are.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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Probably the ones with too much starch.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LynnEl
If there's a BMW in it, it's gonna win no matter what.
Then shouldn't the MINI have won the comparo?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:48 AM
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Then shouldn't the MINI have won the comparo?
Hey, whats with the on topic stuff?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bamatt
So which cars came in 1st & 2nd?
The Mazdaspeed 3 spanked everyone in the performance areas, and I think the GTI came in second. I didn't think they were overly critical of the MINI, just that it didn't have the juice to run with the 3, and it didn't have the finesse of the GTI at the limit.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 62Lincoln
Then shouldn't the MINI have won the comparo?
No. They may share some technology. But they don't share advertising.
 
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