Gas Station Preference
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Gas Station Preference
Does anyone have any preferences in gas stations? I know this is probably opening a can of worms here but I'm curious. My previous ecobox cars I didn't really care what went into them, as long as it was cheap and burned, but this car I do. I live in GA and have 93 octane gas here and most well known brands. I've only put gas in the car twice and went with the newest Shell station local to my house. What's your thoughts?
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GEN2 MINIs as you may have heard had problems with valve deposit build up (N14 engine as I recall)
This was eventually attributed to the use of 'inferior fuels' and use of 'top tier fuels' was recommended.
You may see a mention of this in your owner's manual.
You can Google 'top tier fuel' to learn more and see what brands qualify. BTW, higher octane is NOT a qualifier for 'top tier'.
Is this a valid point? Consumer Reports said YES .... 'top tier' did make a difference. Top tier is mostly about the 'cleaners' in the gas and these DO make a difference ....
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...h-extra-price/
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the 'supposed extra chemicals in the gas' MATTER!!!!!!
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on the other hand
the difference between regular and high octane is
3 or 4 HP at full throttle ......
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b4 you decide to pay for higher octane I recommend you understand what 'octane' means ....
paying more will NOT get you more power under normal driving
and running 'lower' octane will not hurt your engine ....
This was eventually attributed to the use of 'inferior fuels' and use of 'top tier fuels' was recommended.
You may see a mention of this in your owner's manual.
You can Google 'top tier fuel' to learn more and see what brands qualify. BTW, higher octane is NOT a qualifier for 'top tier'.
Is this a valid point? Consumer Reports said YES .... 'top tier' did make a difference. Top tier is mostly about the 'cleaners' in the gas and these DO make a difference ....
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...h-extra-price/
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the 'supposed extra chemicals in the gas' MATTER!!!!!!
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on the other hand
the difference between regular and high octane is
3 or 4 HP at full throttle ......
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b4 you decide to pay for higher octane I recommend you understand what 'octane' means ....
paying more will NOT get you more power under normal driving
and running 'lower' octane will not hurt your engine ....
Last edited by Capt_bj; 08-08-2017 at 02:39 PM.
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GEN2 MINIs as you may have heard had problems with valve deposit build up (N14 engine as I recall)
This was eventually attributed to the use of 'inferior fuels' and use of 'top tier fuels' was recommended.
You may see a mention of this in your owner's manual.
You can Google 'top tier fuel' to learn more and see what brands qualify. BTW, higher octane is NOT a qualifier for 'top tier'.
Is this a valid point? Consumer Reports said YES .... 'top tier' did make a difference. Top tier is mostly about the 'cleaners' in the gas and these DO make a difference ....
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...h-extra-price/
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the 'supposed extra chemicals in the gas' MATTER!!!!!!
This was eventually attributed to the use of 'inferior fuels' and use of 'top tier fuels' was recommended.
You may see a mention of this in your owner's manual.
You can Google 'top tier fuel' to learn more and see what brands qualify. BTW, higher octane is NOT a qualifier for 'top tier'.
Is this a valid point? Consumer Reports said YES .... 'top tier' did make a difference. Top tier is mostly about the 'cleaners' in the gas and these DO make a difference ....
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...h-extra-price/
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the 'supposed extra chemicals in the gas' MATTER!!!!!!
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Gas stations have to pay to be able to say they are "Top Tier".
I have been putting Costco gas in my MINI since before it was rated "Top Tier", the detergents added to Costco gas hasn't changed, they just paid off the "Top Tier" ad people.
"Top Tier" gas won't affect carbon build up on direct injected MINIs, but it is better for fuel injectors than gas without detergent additives.
Mini's blaming carbon buildup on inferior gas was a smokescreen, counting on people's ignorance of the real cause of carbon build up on the intake valves, a poorly designed PVC system.
I have been putting Costco gas in my MINI since before it was rated "Top Tier", the detergents added to Costco gas hasn't changed, they just paid off the "Top Tier" ad people.
"Top Tier" gas won't affect carbon build up on direct injected MINIs, but it is better for fuel injectors than gas without detergent additives.
Mini's blaming carbon buildup on inferior gas was a smokescreen, counting on people's ignorance of the real cause of carbon build up on the intake valves, a poorly designed PVC system.
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I have a couple issues with the cheap filling stations based on my 230K miles of MINI Motoring/being a moderator here/working at a MINI Dealership.
1) Problem with non Top Tier stations is where / how they get their fuel. My brother owns/operates a large hazmat company on the coast of MA. Besides oil spills off the coast/docks, often times one of their tasks is to remove in ground fuel tanks at filling stations. Usually due to leaks. Leaks also allow water/debris into the tanks....aside from performing soil boring tests, testing for water in the fuel is part of how they find rusted tanks.
Before removal of these tanks they are pumped out and that fuel goes to auction or bought back from original seller at pennies on the dollar. This fuel is resold to places like Sams, BJ's and alike. That is one reason for their cheap prices.
That said, I would never pump that resold crap in any of my cars.
2) Never knew anyone in my club, at a MINI event who had fuel issues after filling up at Top Tier filling stations. But I can think of at least a dozen cases, especially for specially tuned MINI's and Turbo models where they purchased fuel at no-name/cheap filling station that ended up with problems. Sometimes folks do it while in regions not familiar to them during a MINI event or on similar trip, sometimes it's all about $. End result is the same, engine driveability issues. It's a throw of the dice as to what your pumping in from these cheapo filling stations...and never a good situation to get into when 100's of miles from home....
Because of this I always carry a can of Seafoam in my R53 wherever I go. And it's not for me since I never go cheap on gas. It's for the owner who wanted to save 5/10 cents a gallon during a MINI run and needs to get home....
"Do you feel lucky !"
On a trip or in unfamiliar territory and looking for a Gulf, Sunoco, Mobil station....Use Waze application in your cell phone....works great for finding a Dunkin or Starbucks too.
1) Problem with non Top Tier stations is where / how they get their fuel. My brother owns/operates a large hazmat company on the coast of MA. Besides oil spills off the coast/docks, often times one of their tasks is to remove in ground fuel tanks at filling stations. Usually due to leaks. Leaks also allow water/debris into the tanks....aside from performing soil boring tests, testing for water in the fuel is part of how they find rusted tanks.
Before removal of these tanks they are pumped out and that fuel goes to auction or bought back from original seller at pennies on the dollar. This fuel is resold to places like Sams, BJ's and alike. That is one reason for their cheap prices.
That said, I would never pump that resold crap in any of my cars.
2) Never knew anyone in my club, at a MINI event who had fuel issues after filling up at Top Tier filling stations. But I can think of at least a dozen cases, especially for specially tuned MINI's and Turbo models where they purchased fuel at no-name/cheap filling station that ended up with problems. Sometimes folks do it while in regions not familiar to them during a MINI event or on similar trip, sometimes it's all about $. End result is the same, engine driveability issues. It's a throw of the dice as to what your pumping in from these cheapo filling stations...and never a good situation to get into when 100's of miles from home....
Because of this I always carry a can of Seafoam in my R53 wherever I go. And it's not for me since I never go cheap on gas. It's for the owner who wanted to save 5/10 cents a gallon during a MINI run and needs to get home....
"Do you feel lucky !"
On a trip or in unfamiliar territory and looking for a Gulf, Sunoco, Mobil station....Use Waze application in your cell phone....works great for finding a Dunkin or Starbucks too.
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Gas stations have to pay to be able to say they are "Top Tier".
I have been putting Costco gas in my MINI since before it was rated "Top Tier", the detergents added to Costco gas hasn't changed, they just paid off the "Top Tier" ad people.
"Top Tier" gas won't affect carbon build up on direct injected MINIs, but it is better for fuel injectors than gas without detergent additives.
Mini's blaming carbon buildup on inferior gas was a smokescreen, counting on people's ignorance of the real cause of carbon build up on the intake valves, a poorly designed PVC system.
I have been putting Costco gas in my MINI since before it was rated "Top Tier", the detergents added to Costco gas hasn't changed, they just paid off the "Top Tier" ad people.
"Top Tier" gas won't affect carbon build up on direct injected MINIs, but it is better for fuel injectors than gas without detergent additives.
Mini's blaming carbon buildup on inferior gas was a smokescreen, counting on people's ignorance of the real cause of carbon build up on the intake valves, a poorly designed PVC system.
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My MCS would idle rough once in a while. Pueblo gas (Phillips 66 and Sam's Club) is what I was using. Not consistent. Talked to my MA and he suggested Shell, what BMW uses in testing. Been using Shell and it runs perfect-all the time, never a rough idle and better (noticeable) mileage.
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another hint
use a place that pumps a LOT of fuel .....
you don't want a mom and pop that gets the tank filled once a month .... especially if you are unlucky enuf to go in when their tank is near empty. THEN you get all the crud that settled in the tank.
FRESH 7-11 fuel is better than bottom of the tank old stuff.
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editorial:
My 79 needs 90+ octane .... anything less and it knocks like crazy and diesels (runs after the ignition is off)
When I have tried using 'off brand' stations I've had problems several times ... the pump SAID it was 90+ but the engine said otherwise. Particularly annoying was when I paid $$ for 'no ethanol' 95 octane at a 'small place' and the car ran like crap.
I went back to a top tier station (with ethanol), filled with 92 all was well. I typically use SHELL in the 79 and have never had another problem . . .
use a place that pumps a LOT of fuel .....
you don't want a mom and pop that gets the tank filled once a month .... especially if you are unlucky enuf to go in when their tank is near empty. THEN you get all the crud that settled in the tank.
FRESH 7-11 fuel is better than bottom of the tank old stuff.
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editorial:
My 79 needs 90+ octane .... anything less and it knocks like crazy and diesels (runs after the ignition is off)
When I have tried using 'off brand' stations I've had problems several times ... the pump SAID it was 90+ but the engine said otherwise. Particularly annoying was when I paid $$ for 'no ethanol' 95 octane at a 'small place' and the car ran like crap.
I went back to a top tier station (with ethanol), filled with 92 all was well. I typically use SHELL in the 79 and have never had another problem . . .
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