Valvetronic was introduced in 2001 and Vanos around 1992. Honda has been using Vtec since 1983.

I love my Mini, but coming from a racing background I love RWD on the track.

 

This has become the most annoying thread in the world.

Seriously, on both sides of the fence, I've never seen so many uneducated, ill-thought out responses.

If they accept the challenge, let's all watch.. if not, who the heck cares. Knocking Hyundai because of past problems, or bashing the MINI because of your crummy personal experience on a track, or knocking the Genesis because of it's looks, or bashing the MINI because you're a fanboy or just generally wanting to be a **** and stir up people's emotions on a MINI forum....all this isn't going to change the outcome at all here, if it even happens.

Grow up, enjoy your cars... which is why they exist, and go on with your day.

 

Obviously, you're new to this forum. Get used to threads like this. It's the reason why there is an influx of new members and most of the original members have since found other sites to inhabit.

Again, welcome to NAM.

This whole site is filled with MINI fanboys, and it's gotten quite sickening. However, if anybody doesn't like what is said in a certain thread, then by all means, don't read it.

 

You know, my boyfriend owns a 2010 Genesis Coupe and it is a blast to drive! He offers it to people to drive to surprise them at how wonderful it is. This is not a car to be forgotten.

He also drives my 2010 JCW, and only offers his car to me when the girl is at the garage. He knows better

 

I'm not talking about which came first, I'm talking about the fact that Valvetronic/VANOS is a superior technology to what Honda is currently using in comparable vehicles.

 

It is a MINI-oriented board ... what'd you expect to find here, Chevrolet faithful?
No matter where you go, you're always going to find somebody who doesn't like something for no better reason than they just don't like it. You're also going to find blind aficionados. Most of us are here because first and foremost we love our MINI's. That doesn't make us all fanboys.

 

How is it superior? It all does the same thing. They all adjust the lift and duration of the intake and exhaust cams depending on driving conditions. Hell, Porsche, Toyota, GM, Subaru, and Alfa Romeo all have some sort of vvt, what makes theirs any less superior?

 

Dude, I've been frequenting this site since '03 and joined in '04, you don't have to tell me "What did I expect on a MINI oriented forum." Sorry, their is a fine line between "loving" a MINI and being a "fanboy." You can love your MINI, but that doesn't mean you have to think it's superior to every other car out there, because it's not. It's a fun car, that's why I'm on my second BMW sourced MINI. Most people get the MINI because of its distinct looks and personality. However, unfortunately at the current rate, it's losing all that it originally had. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but the truth hurts. Now, let's just hope this challenge will be a good one.

 

I am a terrible competitor. I know i was playing the MINI Fanboi position in the arguement i had earlier in this thread with the troll. As far as competition goes, I always take an extreme position. It is more fun, even if it is a loss.

That being said, I know there are plenty of cars that are better than a MINI. Heck the Fiat 500 Abarth essess is a cheaper faster more fuel efficient hot hatch.

Fatherdeth hit the nail on the head.

That all being said, i hate this kind of competition. It brings out the worst in people, not the best.

 

 

First, I'm not talking about anybody other than BMW/MINI and Honda. Somebody said that MINI's system was just Honda technology, and I said MINI's was better.

Second, no, they aren't all the same. Let's compare the Civic Si to the 2011 Cooper S, for instance. Both cars have infinitely variable valve TIMING. However, while the Cooper S (and the Cooper since 2007) has Valvetronic *infinitely* variable valve LIFT, the Civic has just 2-3 different cams to choose from as far as variable lift. Infinity vs. 2-3. Is iVTEC a good system? Yes. Is it reasonable to say that Valvetronic is just "Honda technology" when it is superior in function and funtions in a different way? No.

 

Hey, just to let you all know, Hyundai is going to start putting 5.0's inthe Genesis!!!!

 

More specifically: http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-for-2012.html

429hp is great. 8 gears is too many. Surely with that much tq you could just deal with 6 for normal road use. 8 gears would put them so close together it's practically a CVT!!!

 

Thanks Guitar frk!!! Hyundai is really trying to step up their game.

 

I would like to point out the S has never had Valvetronic timing. It was only available on just a cooper. BMW is just now considering the use of a Valvetronic system in the S and Clubman.
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...2-more-hp.html

 

VANOS = Infinitely variable valve TIMING

Valvetronic = Infinitely variable valve LIFT


The previous Cooper S DID have VANOS, but it is now adding Valvetronic... Which is why I specifically said 2011.

The Cooper has had both since 2007.

 

actually the turbo Prince mill 2007-current is a Valvetronic half-breed, I cant remember which but either intake or exhaust valves have that system. it's just the 2011+ motors are going full VT. After years of research, they solved the cold start issue, which I had. Some real geniuses out there in the Fatherland

And Genesis coupe? U havent experienced a large lux car until y've motored in the Bent-H V8 Genesis sedan. I recently had one as a rental and it had nearly 20K on the clock and everything was perfect Lexus-quiet tight in the interior, uber UBER plush and comfy (nice lonngg seats), and that V8 moves with authority.

So is the sedan V8 the same 5 point oh they want to put in the coupe? Interesting...... mate that with a 7 speed DCT and whoa look out

Bent-H = most improved car brand out there. Rent them all the time now.

 

Let's not be bashing the Hyundai because of what the car used to be. They have come a long way since the Pony and Excel first landed on our shores. I started with a 91 Scoupe, replaced that with a 96 Accent GT, and currently driving a 05 Tuscon when I'm not in the Clubman.That makes almost 20 years in a Hyundai and the last 2 have been the most trouble free cars i've ever had. Until the MINI of course. Besides that, all the Sonatas, I believe the Tuscons and maybe even the Genesis are built here in the US by American labor.
Would be an interesting match and I hope MINI takes them up on it.

 

I agree. My brother in law has the v8 gen and my sister a 3.8l a6. I enjoy driving the genesis more.

 

When I worked in rental people would ***** and ***** and ***** if we tried to give them a Hyundai. We'd have to go all used car salesman on them and sit them in the car show them how it worked and how comfortable it was, all the features it had. They almost always came back and asked how much they were and where they could buy one. Almost without fail.

They are the most underrated car company in the US.

 

I will agree to that.

 

MOST posters I've seen don't appear to believe that MINI is the epitome of driving experience; they love their MINIs for all the reasons there are to love a MINI. And actually the line between loving a MINI and fanboy isn't all that fine. MOST on this board fall among the former, with an insignificant handful teetering towards the latter. That's a far cry from 'filled with MINI fanboys'. Since this thread started, most posters seem to be expressing a genuine interest in how such a challenge would turn out. If anything, I've seen more opinions favoring Hyundai's chances.

THAT is purely a matter of opinion. I still don't see a whole lot of other cars on the road that look anything like it or even fall in the same class. It's still a pretty unique little machine. Or perhaps your one of those ready to condemn the whole brand for introducing a compact SUV to the lineup. God forbid they do something that makes a bit of business sense.

Hurt my feelings? What 'truth'? I'm just sick of people coming out of the woodwork in these threads making nonsense generalizations like we're all fanboys and MINI is 'old-school', and basically stating personal opinions as facts up on which to base their arguments. Worst part of it all is, everybody gets all worked up arguing on irrelevant tangents when the point of the subject of the thread - Hyundai challenging MINI - is all about fun and about as far from serious as you can get. I just don't get it.

 

The problem is that when Hyundai first burst onto the scene, their lineup was about the cheapest around price-wise from top to bottom. And while the quality may not have been lacking, some of their earlier models saddled them with the image of a tuna can on wheels. That perception has been a very difficult one to overcome, even though you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who's actually owned one to have anything but good things to say about them.

I think they've made some pretty big strides in recent years, offering more and more up-scale models that show they can effectively compete with the premium brands. They keep up the way they're going, it won't be long before that tuna can image is just a distant memory for a few of us old farts.

 

I totally hear where you're coming from, but I think we're a lot closer to that day than you think.

 

Personally, I would have thought Suzuki would have gotten a better rep than Hyundai by this point, but it seems I was wrong.