Sorry, but yes the torque is crazy different. Only reason I haven't bought a MINI before my '09 JCW was cause of that reason. The R56 JCW's torque is on demand.

And speaking of a standing start, just cause it has more torque doesn't mean it will win, because that extra torque makes it spin happy. I drop the clutch at 2,000rpms, I spin the tires till I shift at whatever RPM desired.

Example: Back when I was learning how to drive this car, a heavier, less powerful R57 S auto beat me to 60 because I did nothing but spin the tires. With that automatic, the power was progressive. If I had slipped the clutch correctly, it would've been a different story.

 

crazy different is a very subjective term.... i was using it in the way of saying its compareing a v8 to a 1.6L....

the torque numbers are failrly similar if the HP is the same given the senerio from the first post. But yes teh JCW will have more low end torque i agree but for it to be (insert own word here) different to where it would make a HUGe differece in the race would be silly.

i agree the JCW would win in almost every way but the difference between the two wouldnt be miles apart.

no just because it has more torque doesnt mean it will win but in the hands of a driver that knows the car well (not saying you wont get there or havent already) it will def help.

 

It comes down to this...

I believe the JCW stock is capable of low 14's@99

What is a 210whp R53 capable of? Most likely the same...

Drivers race. Unless Im driving...then I win automatically, even if I lose.

Much like a stock srt-4 and fully bolt'ed on RSX type S.

 

i have to quote this too. regardless of haveing more torque or not there is a downshift into the turn. the reason why the audi wins is well a lot of things but yes his torque helps him shoot out of the hole harder and faster than others. it shouldnt be about less shifting.

which in saying this i would say that in this situation with turns the JCW takes it hands down. depending on mods to the R53 and the R56

 

R56 JCW 0-100 6.2s

the R53 is definitely slightly slower than that, especially ones with the longer box.

Take both cars with good drivers, I think off rolling start r53 would stand a chance, would be a good race

Off stand still, the R56 has it in the bag.

 

its hard to really mess up a roll race so i would give it to the cars in a way. the JCW will pull ahead then the R53 will catch etc etc... just like mental said earlier it was a game of cat and mouse.

 

Sure would make a good comparison for an upcoming issue of Grassroots Motorsports Magazine...

I would love to see both JCW cars with all the factory performance options (JCW susp, brakes, LSD, etc.) being drag raced & road raced by the same driver on the same tracks.

 

Motortrend tested the clubman JCW, and got o-60 in 5.7 and and the 1/4mi in 14.3@96.7mph

I can only imagine the cooper being faster.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ion_specs.html

 

i would be willing to bet the 09 JCW would be faster than the older years JCW's

 

I wouldn't mind commenting more, but people seem to be upset about the placement of where this post was made. Guess it's that big of a deal.

I'll just say briefly that the R57 that I mentionred beat me our first raced smoked the crap out of a R53 S this weekend light after light. Neither were JCW's though, and the driver of the R53 is an SCCA racer.

 

I drove an '03 (R53) JCW this weekend, and I did notice a big difference on the low end power. It's not as instant as my R55 JCW. Every bit as fast, as it should be with the same HP, let alone lighter car, just not the low end umph as expected. Although, I will say it had more than I remember from when I test drove a JCW when they first came out.

 

I knew my car was a lot better than a 6.5 0-60 time the first time I test drove it. I wonder what else is inaccurate, lol.

 

If we are talking straight line speed, 0-60 time is quite irrelevant. It is more a function of tires and track conditions than anything else.

1/4 mile trap speed is a much better indication of how 'fast' a car is in a straight line.

 

1/4 mile times are off as well. Yer missin' my point.

 

this thread was way cooler before it was moved lol

 

Bump for any real life tests lol

 

R56 has more torque than the R53, but it's constant from 2000rpm upwards. It will light up the tyres if you're trying to use all of it on bumpy bends, and it's much easier to get all of it than with the R53.