Give GM a break. Anyone with half a brain knew the ad was deceptive. Anyone who used the ad to buy an Escalade was going to anyway and just wanted an excuse!

Thanks for the explanation. I knew it was a discontinued model but did not realize it was an earlier generation and supercharged.

Good to hear the Clubman S gets better mileage. If I got mid 20s in the city and mid 30s on the freeway I would be happy.

 

Better order your anti-delerium medicine, 29/36 mpg is pretty normal for most Clubman owners. Many get 40+ on highway trips.

 

The GM Escalade ad is accurate. Don't know why so many here get so upset over it. If someone wants or needs an Escalade (for whatever reason), buying the hybrid will certainly offer a dramatic mpg improvement over the regular version, which only gets 12 mpg city. It's actually the mpg improvements in larger vehicles that can make the most difference in overall fuel savings.

For a smaller car, you'd need to go from 30 to 50 mpg to get a similar proportional fuel savings.

The question shouldn't be why GM selected the MINI for comparison, it should be why the MINI cabriolet gets such lousy mileage!

 

I guess that must make a difference. I've never averaged less than 37 in mine.

 

What does the 09 MINI Cabrio get? All they have at fueleconomy.gov is the JCW model. We can't say that the 09 Cabrio gets lousy mileage until we actually see some numbers.

 

Only in part.....they must have plucked out at numbers w/o even knowing what they were talking about. In this case they were dumb. Or they did it to obfiscate/confuse....which would be deceptive (there are several twists of logic in the ad). Either way, I still cry foul on the ad...not that I'm mad about it, it just discredits them massively.

Oh, I agree....those are shameful numbers for a MINI. New coupe owners haven't seen those numbers in two years, it's hard to imagine they still exist! Too bad the cabrio couldn't have received the engine update sooner, but such was the product cycle of the cabrio....then again, some folks got one last chance at the first gen car which is good.

As for the '09 cabrio (which will finally have the new engine), I suspect the official mpg #s will be similar to the existing Clubman, and GM won't be able to try this silly stunt again

 

It'll finally have the new engine like the coupe and Clubman....we know it does quite well in real world driving. Cheap shot from the ad folks, oh well.

 

Well if they are going to base their claims on it being a hybrid vehicle then they should compare it to a hybrid vehicle......for some reason I don't think they want to compare mileage numbers with a Prius. I too think it is a very flawed and deceptive ad and GM should be ashamed. And no I am not an anti GM person. Most of the vehicles I have owned in the past have been GM products.

 

Same here...I hope they figure out their present woes and hit a home run, even if they leave BMW/MINI in the dust!!

 

GM dissing the MINI is like a spoiled 5 year old calling you a jerk because you won't buy him a HE-MAN action figure.

 

Just to be fair here, there must have been a thousand TV ads over the year for small cars dissing Hummers, Escalades, and Suburbans. If this ad bothers you, I'd grow thicker skin.

- Mark

 

They compared mpg numbers with an '08 cabrio S, probably automatic......the '08 coupe and the '08 Clubman all have the new, more fuel-efficient engine....the coupe has had it for over two years!!! For '09 the cabrio will, too. Then automatic cabrio Ss will be getting upper 20s city and Coopers in the mid 30s city.....and GM's ad will be so pathetically sad.

Note the ad pushed the hybrid, but then presents the price of the non hybrid....too bizarre. Maybe such quick double-talk works w/ some folks....sad.

 

Yeah I saw this....pretty lame attempt IMO, I mean obviously someone looking at buying one of those dumpy Escalades isn't too concerned with fuel economy. *rolls eyes*

 

Yes it does go both ways that is for sure. Commercials are the main reasons I don't watch much tv anymore.

 

Go to you-tube and put in Audi Club.
Watch the Mini-S blow away the Corvette at Daytona International Speedway.
Ronnie948

 

We're fine....the people who will be bothered is the Escalade crowd once they discover the manipulation in GM advertising.

 

QUOTATION: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."


ATTRIBUTION: Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881), British statesman, author. Quoted by Mark Twain in his Autobiography, ch. 29, Mark Twain (1924)

 

I'm very happy with my 25 mpg in the city and 21 mpg when driving it extremely aggressive.
I have even been able to squeeze 32 mpg on long highway trips.
But who cares.. My cabrio makes sweet music when that supercharger whines up and blows away any Escalade.
I didn't buy it for the gas mileage I bought it because its a mean Dragon running machine that doubles as the ultimate sun-tanning machine.

NOTE: 4 out of 5 women surveyed rather go for a ride in my MINI than in an Escalade.
Personal results may vary upon demographics and materialistically inclined attitudes.

 

Funny, I didn't get mine for gas mileage either... I got it because it was SOOOO cute. Then I found out just how FAST it is. It's like a motorcycle without having to wear a helmet.

 

Actually, I'd only be shocked if anyone is stupid enough to believe much of anything in a car ad, whether the ad is for a Mini or an Escalade. They're all manipulative. No one owns the moral high ground here.

- Mark

 

I've seen the commercial. My first thought was how funny it was to compare the two since most Mini owners I've met put down SUV drivers, especially the oversized SUVs like the Escalade. Nice tit-for-tat from GM.

 

Merged 3 threads on this topic.

 

a bunch of us are upset because an avertiser used something that was technically acurate yet misleading in a TV commercial? Where have you all been? Isn't the point of TV adds to sway opinion by any means that's leagal? Is this news? Is it even a surprise?

At an automotive journalists event, I drove one of the new Dodge/Chrysler full sized SUV hybrids. Drove it like normal, 13.6 MPG. Drove it "careful" about 18.5... And that was some pig with a 5.7L hemi mill under the hood.

While the MCSC auto isn't built any more, you can probably find some new on dealer lots if you looked. The add didn't claim the SUV got better mileage than ALL mini coopers.....

And for all you big three haters, full sized pick-ups are still the top two selling light vehicles in the US, with about a half million of each the F150 and the Silverado... More than Civic, Camrys, Accords or whatever. Instead of crapping all over the big three, maybe we should be looking at the buying public.

Anyway, why all the hostility? Facts are facts.... Even if they are cherry picked!

Matt

 

WOW!!! This really got under a bunch of peoples skin. Why? Who cares what GM does to each their own! I want another MINI!

 

The sad part is that people buy them. I see Escalades everywhere here. After doing some browsing on GM's website, there is nothing on a Cadillac you can't get on the Tahoe or Avalanche. So you just spent 20,000 dollars for a badge and different lights. I don't think I'll ever understand that.

Oh well the only Caddy I ever wanted was a '63 convertible anyway.