Does anybody use anything cool like a 4 or 5 point harness for autocrossing? If so where did you get it and how much was it? Last sunday i found myself sliding around in my seat on hard turns, thats no good.
Thanks!
Marco

 

The Schroth Harness I believe is what you are looking for.

http://www.soloracer.com/minirallye4.html

Try this link.

 

Any safety negative's to that harness because of the way it attaches?

 

Check these links out for information and review.

http://www.soloracer.com/harnschrothfaq.html


http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/09/...m_for_the_mini

 

Schroth
Easiest install, a little spendy for what you get, has a tendency to ride up on th e hips

Brey-Krause
This is a spendy harness bar that lets you run 6 point harnesses.
The bar is easy to install, the harness requires creativity. A nice option, but overkill for just autox cross

Autopower Roll Bar with Harness bar
Massive overkill for auto-x but cheaper than BK

 

Here's mine:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=25893

 

Those look really cool, how much did those run you?

 

Click on the links in the thread for the harness bar pricing. The harnesses were $109/side from Jegs.

 

You might want to try a CG Lock device on your seatbelt. It doesn't look cool or racy but mine works real well. I've driven with the harness in solo and much prefer the CG lock. The MCS seat has reasonable support as long as you anchor your butt to it. I find the CG Lock allows upper body freedom when I'm really getting into my driving. Yea, it doesn't look cool.....but , it's cheap and works.

 

hey, i saw you at the autocross last sunday!! i think...i was the darksilver with the black roof and black bonnet stripes...nice job last week.

 

one more thing, is it absolutely necessary to get a harness bar? i was surfing around the JEG website and saw no print saying "these harnesses need the harness bar". I dunno. just asking. Thanks!
Marco

 

most non-MINI specific harnesses (ie sparco, g-force etc) need a harness bar. Schroth for the MINI intergrates the back seat seatbelts as part of its design which allows you to skip this step. From a picture of the harness you can tell if there are clips ins on both ends of the harness or just a strap with a hole that fits around a harness bar.

B

 

aha...thanks

 

I'd be VERY nervous about using a harness without a harness bar. The angle between the harness belts is critical in preventing your spine from being crushed in the event of an impact. Harness bars and roll cages deliberately place the upper mounting location for the harness slightly above shoulder level. A harness looped through the headrests or just over the seat does not do that, and therefore offers a serious risk of injury. Read through this before installing any harness:

http://www.gforce.com/pdf/harnessinstall.pdf

 

Andy,


Am I to infer that you think the Schroth Harness setup is unsafe, as it's mounting points are a lot lower than the your shoulders????

Never mind, I went back and read your initial post and it was very explicit what you thought of the Schroth Harness setup.

Thanks for the info.

Bill

 

Yep, that was me Marco. Wasn't one of my best days, but OK for an end of year run. Boilermini and her husband were in the other dark grey/white MCS. We've been battling all season in the SCCA South Bend Region. You did well yourself, especially on real street tires and 17" stock wheels. I hope you can join us next season also. More MINI's the better.:smile:

Mark "Minifinn"

 

i hope to be back next season, i got some wheels-same as yours, i hope you dont mind ...and on falkens, and possibly some schroth belts. We shall see...this isnt the last we'll see of eachother...lol.
Marco

 

Just an FYI, the Schroth MINI Quick Fit harness is designed specifically for the MINI and Schroth has determined the mounting points and seat to be safe for use with the Quick Fit harness, and therefore no harness bar is required. You can find more info on the advantages of the Quick Fit harness here... http://www.soloracer.com/minirallye4.html

And as an FYI for those thinking the lap belt can ride up on you. One tip that I use for autocross is to put the seat one click back from where I want it. Then tighten the lap belt as much as you can but leave the shoulder belt loose. Then put the seat one click forward to your desired point for racing and this will tighten the lap belt a bit more. Then tighten the shoulder belts appropriately. This keeps the belts where they should be.

Brett at SoloRacer.com
MINI Race Gear: http://www.soloracer.com/mini.html
Main Store: http://www.soloracer.com/
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Not necessarily trying to talk anybody out of going with a BK harness bar and full 5/6 point harness, but for autocross, and even track events, the Schroth Quick Fit belt does have some nice features...

• Quick fit technology allows you to install or remove the harness in a matter of seconds. For example, when you autocross, you can just clip the belts in before the event, then When you're done for the day, you can un-clip the belts, toss them in the hatch, and be on your way.
• Since the Quick Fit belts clip into the factory female seat belt receptacle, the cars computer recognizes the seat belt is in use and deploys the airbag at a slower less violent rate.
• The belts feature Schroth asm® technology which is a mechanism created by Schroth to reduce the risk of submarining or sliding underneath the lap belt.
• First and currently the only DOT approved (street legal) aftermarket harnessbelt of its kind
• No drilling holes or removal of factory seat belts is required

 

So does that mean you don't have to worry about the Spine crushing mentioned earlier in this thread? Hence the reason most people would want the bar for an attachment point?

 

Well, since Schroth has approved this harness for the MINI, they have determined that the seats are strong enough, that the angle of the shoulder belts mounted down to the D&E points is OK, and that spinal compression isn't an issue.

We sell a lot of these harnesses to autocrossers where the likelihood of an impact or crash is small, but I also know a lot of customers use them at HPDE's and track days.

 

Great to hear! Now i just gotta find the bucks to get the harness!

 

How thick is the steel on the belt brackets that Schroth provides? The installation instructions show it being bent easily. It looks like you sell both the Schroth quick-fit as well as FIA approved belts. Would you mind comparing the two types of brackets?


Quick-Fit:


Sparco:

 

Yes, the Schroth mounting points are designed to be bendable, whereas the ones in the other photo (from Sparco) are not. The Schroth pieces are not quite as thick and that is partly why they can be bent.

If you download the Schroth MINI quick fit installation instructions, you can see where/how you need to bend them for the MINI install...
http://www.teamsoloracer.com/_temp/M...structions.PDF