2013 Formula One Discussion
I couldn't find it. I followed qualifying via Live Timing on the Official F1 Website. The race will be on CNBC tomorrow. Obviously NOT NBC's top priority.
If you have a Mac - download Get iPlayer Automator. You can download the BBC's coverage although there's a problem with the Proxy Server they normally use so you'll have to input a custom one...
Otherwise, Google "watch BBC TV in the US" several solutions for watching (and downloading) BBC are there.
BBC is carrying Silverstone live so you can download it shortly after their coverage ends.
On weeks when Sky is carrying it live you have to wait until BBC does their highlights (which is the entire event with less commentary) later in the day...
Otherwise, Google "watch BBC TV in the US" several solutions for watching (and downloading) BBC are there.
BBC is carrying Silverstone live so you can download it shortly after their coverage ends.
On weeks when Sky is carrying it live you have to wait until BBC does their highlights (which is the entire event with less commentary) later in the day...
I saw that when I was watching the coverage yesterday... What's interesting is that on Saturday when they were discussing the changes at the track, those curbs were brought up and it was pointed out that the outside of those curbs are "unfinished" and could cause tire issues...
Not Pirrelli's fault? Check out this video

I was wondering why the failures seem to be occurring on the left rears and I chalked it up to the circuit having corners like Copse, Becketts, Luffield and Stowe putting strain on the left side tires then I heard the commentators mention the curbing and this report would seem to confirm the curbs as being party to if not causing the tire failures. Perhaps Pirelli is not to blame as the media infers.
I really enjoyed watching the German GP... what a drive by the Kimster! 
Raikkonen's charge was something to behold, if only the race had been 1-2 laps longer!
I was hoping that Alonso would managed a step on the podium but alas it was not to be though I admire Ferrari's tire strategy for the race after Q3 yesterday.
Another plucky drive from the Spaniard, coaxing his prancing horse to a solid 4th!
Poor Felipe Masa... what happened to him. The car just seemed to snap and swap ends violently under braking. If there was a bright side to Masa's race it was his blistering start... Bravo Felipe... drive it like you stole it!
Getting back to Raikkonen... if I were SebVet I'd be worried about Kimi moving into Webber's vacated seat... Vettel better hope that the Ice Man does not cometh...
Raikkonen's charge was something to behold, if only the race had been 1-2 laps longer!

I was hoping that Alonso would managed a step on the podium but alas it was not to be though I admire Ferrari's tire strategy for the race after Q3 yesterday.
Another plucky drive from the Spaniard, coaxing his prancing horse to a solid 4th!Poor Felipe Masa... what happened to him. The car just seemed to snap and swap ends violently under braking. If there was a bright side to Masa's race it was his blistering start... Bravo Felipe... drive it like you stole it!

Getting back to Raikkonen... if I were SebVet I'd be worried about Kimi moving into Webber's vacated seat... Vettel better hope that the Ice Man does not cometh...
There is just no way the two of them could ever co-exist on a team together. The evidence is Webber and Vettel. No question Vettel is a better driver(but maybe not by a lot), therefore the team made him #1 by a wide margin and didn't really care who knew it-and these guys almost came to blows over it-imagine the team trying to treat either Vettel or Kimi guys as #1-they would never accept equal treatment by the team-no way.
This was also evidenced by the Hamilton Alonso lineup at McClaren...that was very ugly.
If Lotus can pay Kimi AND have money left over to continue to advance the car, he might prefer to be an extremely big fish in a small pond. Plus he is not required to do very much press/publicity with Lotus. Do you ever think he could get away with telling Christian Horner over the radio, "shut up I know what I'm doing" ?
There are two events involving Kimi that in my mind make him one of the most interesting drivers F1 has had in awhile:
1. I think it was at Spa, eau rouge. someone lost an engine just before the climb up the hill, smoke everywhere...they did a replay of Kimi going through there via his in-car camera. He never lifted even though he had no clue what was in the middle of all that smoke.
2. when he was with Mcclaren at Monoco. His engine let go. He parked it, then 10 minutes later the cameras spotted him on a yacht having drinks...THAT is throwback to the old days: drive the car 200% at all times, but if I'm not in the car, I do what I want....wow....
1. I think it was at Spa, eau rouge. someone lost an engine just before the climb up the hill, smoke everywhere...they did a replay of Kimi going through there via his in-car camera. He never lifted even though he had no clue what was in the middle of all that smoke.
2. when he was with Mcclaren at Monoco. His engine let go. He parked it, then 10 minutes later the cameras spotted him on a yacht having drinks...THAT is throwback to the old days: drive the car 200% at all times, but if I'm not in the car, I do what I want....wow....

Two drivers with such competitive dispositions who are respective #1's would expect to be treated as such and as we all well know there is no such thing as equals in an F1 team, there is and always has been a hierarchy regardless of what a team's PR proclaims.
I can see Kimi being lured over to RBR (lucrative contract and of course the proverbial carrot being dangled before him, a car designed by Adrian Newey - an RB9 successor) but the negatives far outweigh the positives as he would be forced to integrate himself into a team that is built around SebVet and as you so eloquently stated in your post, Vettel would never accept having his teammate share equal status with him.


There are two events involving Kimi that in my mind make him one of the most interesting drivers F1 has had in awhile:
1. I think it was at Spa, eau rouge. someone lost an engine just before the climb up the hill, smoke everywhere...they did a replay of Kimi going through there via his in-car camera. He never lifted even though he had no clue what was in the middle of all that smoke.
2. when he was with Mcclaren at Monoco. His engine let go. He parked it, then 10 minutes later the cameras spotted him on a yacht having drinks...THAT is throwback to the old days: drive the car 200% at all times, but if I'm not in the car, I do what I want....wow....
1. I think it was at Spa, eau rouge. someone lost an engine just before the climb up the hill, smoke everywhere...they did a replay of Kimi going through there via his in-car camera. He never lifted even though he had no clue what was in the middle of all that smoke.
2. when he was with Mcclaren at Monoco. His engine let go. He parked it, then 10 minutes later the cameras spotted him on a yacht having drinks...THAT is throwback to the old days: drive the car 200% at all times, but if I'm not in the car, I do what I want....wow....
re #2: Say what you will about Raikkonen ( I have been a critic of his lackluster attitude during interviews) but as time has passed I have begun to understand him better and realize that there is a rebel just under that non-plussed exterior of his. He is his own person, answering to the beat of his own drum and a refreshing departure from the corporate persona that some teams demand of their drivers in today's F1 scene. There is more to Mr. Raikkonen than meets the eye.

Truly Kimi is cut from the same bolt of cloth as James Hunt... mavericks within F1's herd.
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I think whatever happens it will be interesting.
RBR has a real PR issue with Seb...the amount of Boos he gets on the podium has got to really get to him.
Not sure if you saw Webber on Top Gear Recently...but the interview was funny and he was faster then Seb in the Liana...not quite as quick as Lewis "Rock and Roll" Hamilton.
The other big question is who is getting Massa's seat?
RBR has a real PR issue with Seb...the amount of Boos he gets on the podium has got to really get to him.
Not sure if you saw Webber on Top Gear Recently...but the interview was funny and he was faster then Seb in the Liana...not quite as quick as Lewis "Rock and Roll" Hamilton.
The other big question is who is getting Massa's seat?
I think whatever happens it will be interesting.
RBR has a real PR issue with Seb...the amount of Boos he gets on the podium has got to really get to him.
Not sure if you saw Webber on Top Gear Recently...but the interview was funny and he was faster then Seb in the Liana...not quite as quick as Lewis "Rock and Roll" Hamilton.
The other big question is who is getting Massa's seat?
RBR has a real PR issue with Seb...the amount of Boos he gets on the podium has got to really get to him.
Not sure if you saw Webber on Top Gear Recently...but the interview was funny and he was faster then Seb in the Liana...not quite as quick as Lewis "Rock and Roll" Hamilton.
The other big question is who is getting Massa's seat?
Here's my Silly Season predictions-
Riccardo gets Webber's Red Bull seat
Hulkenburg gets Massa's seat
Outside chance that Kimi gets Massa's seat - but I think that's slim
If Kimi leaves Lotus - DiResta takes his seat
Guiterrez's money is gone at the end of the season and so is he
Honestly I don't think Red Bull gives a crap about the boos getting tossed at Seb...
Here's my Silly Season predictions-
Riccardo gets Webber's Red Bull seat
Hulkenburg gets Massa's seat
Outside chance that Kimi gets Massa's seat - but I think that's slim
If Kimi leaves Lotus - DiResta takes his seat
Guiterrez's money is gone at the end of the season and so is he
Here's my Silly Season predictions-
Riccardo gets Webber's Red Bull seat
Hulkenburg gets Massa's seat
Outside chance that Kimi gets Massa's seat - but I think that's slim
If Kimi leaves Lotus - DiResta takes his seat
Guiterrez's money is gone at the end of the season and so is he
Good race at Spa. Too bad Alonso didn't get a better starting spot on the Grid, but what a drive. How long before he bounces from Ferrari? Time is ticking and there is no doubt he would be right there with Seb if he had a better car.
Don't know what NBC was reporting last weekend, but Eddie Jordan is pretty insistent that Riccardo taking Webber's seat is a done deal even though Horner continues to deny it. On Saturday he kept saying that the contract was signed two weeks ago but Red Bull is waiting for Dietrick Mateschitz (or however it's spelled) to come back from vacation before making the announcement. On Sunday he was saying that his info was coming from an interview that Mark Webber gave to Australian TV two weeks ago... However, on Sunday's BBC F1 Forum David Coulthard was saying that signing for Red Bull Racing doesn't necessarily mean an F1 seat as Red Bull Racing is not just Red Bull, but Toro Rosso, Red Bull WRC, and every other series that Red Bull has a presence... Of course given that Riccardo is a career F1 driver even Coulthard admits it would be doubtful that he would drive elsewhere for the team...
Sauber may be another team to keep an eye on - not because their future looks promising, but because they may be about to have a train wreck on their hands... Monisha Kaltenborn is saying that they expect to have the son of their new Russian sugar daddy in the car for the first time in October or November. Without looking at all the other prep to be an F1 driver, is it even possible for him to get a Superlicense before the start of next season? I'll be amazed if this kid even finishes his first race, especially if it's wet - and hopeful that he doesn't injure himself or another driver out there....
I did read about that Russian kid, I think it was Webber that was complaining about all the cash drivers on the grid. Guys who got their ride because of the money they bring and not the talent.
IF the kid has the skills, he'll get his lic......look at Kimi, something like 23 professional races in his lifetime, before he started in F1.
If he doesn't have the skills, then he shouldn't be on the grid, but....he'll be there till the money runs out is my guess, much like Petrov - who actually was/is a pretty good driver.
If he doesn't have the skills, then he shouldn't be on the grid, but....he'll be there till the money runs out is my guess, much like Petrov - who actually was/is a pretty good driver.
IF the kid has the skills, he'll get his lic......look at Kimi, something like 23 professional races in his lifetime, before he started in F1.
If he doesn't have the skills, then he shouldn't be on the grid, but....he'll be there till the money runs out is my guess, much like Petrov - who actually was/is a pretty good driver.
If he doesn't have the skills, then he shouldn't be on the grid, but....he'll be there till the money runs out is my guess, much like Petrov - who actually was/is a pretty good driver.
Well time to update and revise the predictions...
Massa or Hulkenburg to Lotus - if Massa doesn't get the Lotus seat he's gone. There's a rumor flying that Maldonado might move to Lotus, but I don't think Lotus wants to take on the liability... Yes he brings big $ from PDVSA, but he also does A LOT of damage. While the PDVSA money might offset Maldonado's repair bills, I doubt it fully covers them.
I'm not sure DiResta's going to move now... Between Force India's performance falling off the cliff and the top tier seats filling up there's no where for him to go.
Force India will re-sign Sutil, but it will be around January
Button's contract is up this year - I think he's staying put
I believe Perez was only on a 1 year contract, but as long as McLaren can cash Carlos Slim's checks he's not going anywhere.
Toro Rosso's seat is going to be filled by somebody who isn't currently in Formula 1.
If we loose a team going into next year, I don't think it's going to be a back marker but actually Sauber. Even with their Russian sugar daddy I think their funding is the most precarious of the bunch.
Oh and Kimi's not going to stay at Ferrari for more than a year. The minute he's told to give way for Fernando it will all unravel, and the stories for the rest of 2014 will be how Kimi and Ferrari continue to butt heads.
Calendar wise -
Sochi is going to stay on the calendar
NJ isn't going to make it - the promoters insist they can even though they weren't on the latest provisional calendar, but I think the Seaside Boardwalk Fire is going to divert money the organizers need.
Korea will make the calendar and so will Mexico City.
Massa or Hulkenburg to Lotus - if Massa doesn't get the Lotus seat he's gone. There's a rumor flying that Maldonado might move to Lotus, but I don't think Lotus wants to take on the liability... Yes he brings big $ from PDVSA, but he also does A LOT of damage. While the PDVSA money might offset Maldonado's repair bills, I doubt it fully covers them.
I'm not sure DiResta's going to move now... Between Force India's performance falling off the cliff and the top tier seats filling up there's no where for him to go.
Force India will re-sign Sutil, but it will be around January
Button's contract is up this year - I think he's staying put
I believe Perez was only on a 1 year contract, but as long as McLaren can cash Carlos Slim's checks he's not going anywhere.
Toro Rosso's seat is going to be filled by somebody who isn't currently in Formula 1.
If we loose a team going into next year, I don't think it's going to be a back marker but actually Sauber. Even with their Russian sugar daddy I think their funding is the most precarious of the bunch.
Oh and Kimi's not going to stay at Ferrari for more than a year. The minute he's told to give way for Fernando it will all unravel, and the stories for the rest of 2014 will be how Kimi and Ferrari continue to butt heads.
Calendar wise -
Sochi is going to stay on the calendar
NJ isn't going to make it - the promoters insist they can even though they weren't on the latest provisional calendar, but I think the Seaside Boardwalk Fire is going to divert money the organizers need.
Korea will make the calendar and so will Mexico City.
Finger pumping squealer?
Man I do not understand all the Vettel hate.....but I guess it's normal for F1, or any sporting series....
I also do not think New Jersey will happen..................ever.
Next year will be very interesting, between the new chassis, new engines, new Kers systems, new aero requirements, new driver pairings, new circuits......it will NOT be business as usual IMHO.
It's good to shake things up a bit, but next year promises to be a lulu!
Oh, the race at Singapore will be interesting, they took out the chicane - no more Singapore sling!
Man I do not understand all the Vettel hate.....but I guess it's normal for F1, or any sporting series....
I also do not think New Jersey will happen..................ever.
Next year will be very interesting, between the new chassis, new engines, new Kers systems, new aero requirements, new driver pairings, new circuits......it will NOT be business as usual IMHO.
It's good to shake things up a bit, but next year promises to be a lulu!
Oh, the race at Singapore will be interesting, they took out the chicane - no more Singapore sling!
I don't mind a driver winning a dominant victory, but I get bored if it's the same driver getting a dominant victory week in and week out.
I know, maybe F1 should install those retractable spike strips like they have at the exit of the rental car lots at the airport - The spikes randomly pop up in different parts of the track throughout the race!






