Thanks. BRG is just an awesome color. I'm debating how far I'm going to go in removing the chrome, but I'm pretty happy overall with the car right now.

 

I've had two engine malfunction screen since install the the power engineering module

 

Put it on the low setting if it is not, or do like I did and get rid of it. I switched to the burger stage 1, better performance and never an issue. Not saying it is a bad piece, just not as good as the other option for reliability or performance.

 

I would call Jerry at NM and ask for his thoughts on it.

 

When I spoke with him he told me that my car needed an update from the dealership. Dealership, says no available updates at this time. He then said it was probably bad gas... Either way he is a nice guy.

 

I wish I had a dime for every time a dealer blamed something on "bad gas". To me it's a red flag on their service dept. It's like we pump our gas out of a well in our back yard.

 

And if you read online reviews, there are as many complaints about the Burger tune as well.

 

Yep. I threw the BS flag on this one. Opinion stated as fact.

I agree. I did a lot of research before deciding on the NM. The simpler install and removal was a big deciding factor for me.

 

WOW, way to be a *****, now that is opinion as fact... I own both, have data logged both and can tell you factually one is better than the other based on real world metrics of a/f ratios, timing, boost pressure, and 1/4 mile times. Do you own both? Have you driven a MINI with both? Have you any point of reference other than a "simpler" install? There is only one more clip on the second option, I would not call that much more difficult of an install or removal. By research do you mean reading on the internet? LOL.

 

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but when I was researching power modules (on the Internet). Seemed like the Burger had more problems noted overall compared to the NM.

Burger was in Beta (not sure if they ever changed the designation or not) and NM had some issues with the B46 motor. When both work properly, customers seem to happy with either one. When there are problems, reviews can be scathing for both.

For a non -tweaker, the NM seemed to be a safer bet if run on the low setting. Issues seemed to arise with CEL and "limp modes" where guys tried running the NM on high (for the extra HP and Torque).

Problem is that early reviews of both remain on line forever, so one is never sure if early issues have ever been resolved.

I opted for the Mini authorized JCW Tune kit for my car to have the dealer support and zero warranty issues while gaining some pretty decent performance gains. I have not discounted getting a power module, but until both companies come out with an install Youtube video, I will stick with what I have.

 

Here is the install video for the NM Power Module

http://www.motoringfun.com/2016/05/0...-power-module/

 

 

both burger and NM do the same thing. tweak the values so the car is able to increase its boost. one isn't better than the other in doing that. the major difference is for those that like "low" and "high" and dont' want to look any further. for those that like to tweak/make the most of their cars settings, burger is the other option. here's a scenario that i've seen with both.

- car has issue.....reach out to jerry/NM, product was built as is with low and high and that's it. throw blame around but at the end, WYSIWYG

- car has issue....pull log, send to terry, terry sends new firmware with tweaks, run again with more logs, send back to terry, more tweaks/rinse/repeat, or all is good.

now again, some of you can run with the NM and never have problems. that's great. but others will...my issue is/was that there really isn't much you can do beyond that.

i call it the difference between an iphone user and an android user. there are some out there that like the simplicity of the iphone. it simply works. android has 100 ways to do the same task and if you feel like rooting and screwing with it, feel free. but android users tend to want to tinker with their phone more.

just my opinion on the matter. (waiting for the person that says "i have an android and NM, your opinion makes no sense")

 

Actually that is a very good analogy - well stated.

To sum up:

"NM Power Module is more like the iPhone and Burger is more like Android in terms of customization."

I like it...

 

Anyone know if NM is planning to offer a Power Module for the B38 1.5L?

 

I placed order after reading so many good reviews on NM power module...
Now the wait begins..

 

You will not regret it. The performance increase is amazing.

 

MarcoPolo: Do you feel there is any useful low end boost below 2,000RPM with the NM Power Module? Also,any issues with too lean air/fuel mix due to extra boost? thanks.

 

As has been said, these boxes do essentially the same thing. They intercept the T-MAP signal and tweak it. Does anyone know what that "tweaking" is? Is it just a fancy diode that somehow adjusts the voltage signal or is there some sort of software in the box that interprets the T-MAP signal and adjusts the signal in a more subtle or continuously variable fashion? I guess I'm asking if anyone can 'splain what, exactly, these magic boxes really do. I'm an IPhone plug 'n play kinda guy, but still, I gotta know what the genie in the box is doing to my car.

 

I think the boxes have a processor/software that adds as much boost as possible without causing the CEL to come on. It may be a little more complicated than that but is basically what they do.

 

Fradaj: I think you may be correct. I've reached out to ECS and Dinan to see if we can get more specifics. No doubt users who have the NM Engineering Power Module and users with the Dinan SPT report they feel (and have measured) increased HP and torque. These boxes work.

I'm wondering how sophisticated the electronics are and I'm thinking the reason they work well is that they are doing more than simply uniformly stepping down the T-MAP voltage signal the ECU "sees." I believe there must be some algorithm or other software function in the box so that the spool up is smooth and the box-altered signal doesn't adversely impact deceleration turbo back pressure. Lots of variables on these complex engine management systems.

Not that any of this really matters if you get the extra boost and it doesn't smoke your engine. But it is so much more satisfying to understand the magic while feeling the boost. I hope Dinan or NM or others will enlighten us further.

 

I just write it off as FM and keep on motoring.

 

And by that, vetsvette, I assume you mean "f...antastic magic."

Works for me. Now all I gotta do is finalize the deal and take delivery of my new Mini. So far I've got a Production Number. That's a start.

All kidding aside, do you have any comment based on your personal experience with one of these tune boxes? Always like to hear from the man who owns one. Thanks.

 

Fantastic.... yup that's close enough for gubmint work.

To be honest, I can't say enough good things about the NM module. It was the first performance mod I did last October. It made a world of difference on my stock MCS and I was tickled to death with it...... Until I read Pedro's report about the JCW Pro Tuning Kit with the NM Module. So, in January I had the tuning kit installed and ran it for a couple of weeks without the NM. Again, I was impressed with the added power, so, I went ahead and re-installed the NM. WOW!!! I could not believe the difference. Turned the car into a real little beast. With either the tune or the module alone, after a while it got to seem normal and not quite so impressive. But with the combination of the two I never get tired or bored with it. So, to answer your question, go ahead and order it now. You will NOT be disappointed.

 

I'm hearing the same glowing reports about the new Dinan as well. Both seem to be great products. More user experience with the NM because it's been on the market longer. I'm sure the Dinan is as good because others who have installed it have so stated. I did chat with Jerry at NM and he invited me to come to his shop and hook up an NM to see if I liked it. Can't ask for more than that.

Gotta get a car first, then I'll order a tune box Hoping to have a Clubman S All4 within about 30 days. Waiting to get a build date and, of course, nail down the final deal. Thanks, vetsvette for the feedback. Happy motoring to you. And remeber to obey all traffic laws and regulations at all times.