The only problem... Have you looked at the thing? Serious ugly!

 

I totally agree with the ref. to the R56 being compared to the Mustang ll. My 2007 gave me nothing but heartaches when the odometer hit approx. 37k miles--all problems related to the #*%+@* turbocharger.

 

What did you do? Just copy the comments you posted on the F56 forum and paste them here?? At least have a little originality in your R56 bashing.... instead of your tiresome "Mustang II" analogy, If you're going to be cheeky and try and p!#s off as many of us R56 owners as you possibly can, why not just go for it and troll for the deep blue sea... Vega? Pinto? Gremlin? Lots of lemons in the U.S. (not to mention internationally) for you to at least choose from worth at least a giggle from folks who know what pointless bashing your nonsense is anyway. For that matter, why not go for broke and bash ALL 2nd generation MINIs... R55, R57, and R60? Aggravate all of us. Guess you think the GP isn't up to snuff either... Love my 2013 R56. Adored my '09 R56 (no problems with either). The R53 is extremely cool too - reignited the love affair everyone has with these bulldogs; jury's out on the F56 - always some bugs to work out on a new model, but they're all extremely cool. Either way, love thy MINI.... so, sock us to it, man, how about a little creativity!

 

Do not feed the trolls!

 

i'm just waiting to see F56s start to come out to autox. Other areas of the MINI don't really impact me. I'll say this though - base cooper vs base cooper, one is going to be more reliable than the other - and it won't be the turbocharged one... base r56s have had almost none of the problems the turbo s's have had

 

Amen! Slag's avatar pretty much says it all.

 

Exactly... and as the F56 rolls out... most are going to see the R56 in the same light.

 

Cant we all just agree that the F56 is different than the R56. "Better" is a subjective term that we just don't have the data on yet. In addition, better or worse can apply to different areas for example I think most would agree at this point that interior material quality is "better" in the F56 but most think that body styling is "better" in the R56.
Any one speaking about reliability at this point is speaking out of their butt. We know the issues of the R56, but know NOTHING about the reliability of the F56 and wont for months/years.

 

And what's with all this Mustang II bashing ?
http://www.fifteen52.us/project-st/w...02/farrah.jpeg

 

Cary, sorry I didnt realize you Britts offended so easily. And for a geography lesson; Regarding the R56, denial is not a river in North Africa.

Regards, Larry

 

Did we forget the Hold on the F56?
Yeah I know it will be fixed, but just like the R56 items were fixed.
I'd be more in line to wait out the next shoe to drop with the F56 and then see what the owners of them have to say while driving them back to dealers for updates/replacement parts!

 

Ok, ok... Fine...

 

Nope...sorry... wrong continent, wrong geomorphic feature. d'Nile; however, is a brilliant wine bar in Kansas City, though.. Sorry, Larry. Might want to pack your bags for a motoring adventure... That mighty endless flow of brilliant Chardonnays like a mighty river...'sigh'.. So,..., guess that means by logic of the quip, since the place does in fact exist, one's faith in the R56 is not so misplaced afterall, eh. Cheers, mate (might want to review that map of yours again. Think you got an old one) - harhar Seriously, no offence taken. I like 'em. Glad you like the F56. Motor on!

 

Exactly. The "quality" or actually the lack of quality of the R56 Prince is well documented. You certainly don't have to journey out far on the limb to predict that the F56, with its BMW sourced drive train is going to deliver far superior quality as compared to the R56, that's for sure .

 

Yawn!

 

It's not really fair to compare cars built 7 years apart. I would hope the new ones are better, but each gen has it's virtues. I think many R56 issues were due to extended service intervals.

 

lol this slag guy. determined.

 

It's funny to see all the fighting and comparisons of the R53/R56/F56. It's no different than when the new versions of Corvettes come out. Being a fan and previous owner of Corvettes, every time a new version was released, people hated it, myself included. I will admit, I hated the C6 version but it grew on me, and now the C7 is out and in the beginning I didn't like it but it's growing on me. With each new version, they fixed and/or improved the car and the performance in each addition but you have the diehard lovers of the C1, C2, C3, etc..they hate every version after theirs. This is no different than Mini owners...

I guess what I am trying to get at is why not just wait till the car has been out on the road for a while before making comments as to whether its better in this department or better in that department. We have all read the articles, we know what the car is supposed to provide, so lets just wait. I know that won't happen but it's a thought, let's wait before comparing. The one thing everyone has to remember is that with each new version of a car, it is "supposed" to be better than the previous version.

I don't like the look of the F56 but IMO if they just changed the front end and the tailights, it would be a lot nicer looking.

 

^ so true - you guys need to see the evo 8/9 vs evo 10 infighting lol - this is nothing compared to that!

 

+1...I can't see myself driving the F56 unless they change that on the MCS...or I can put the JCW aero kit on it.

 

I don't know what your talking about - everyone knows everything after a 72 Vette is junk

 

WHAT!?!?!?

That's why I have a '71 sitting in a garage in storage.