Uhhhh what? Being someone who has exhausted hundreds of hours into headlight design and HID performance.......i hate to say it cause your my buddy....but you're wrong.

Halogen in halogen> Xenon in halogen.

Here are some pics for you to examine.

The area that the xenon lights actually light up might be slightly brighter...but they barely light up any ground. It's called pencilling...check out this vid. Wait for him to turn down the dark street and notice that the beams project two long lines of bright light.....but put out NO LIGHT to the sides at all. Those two beams might be way brighter....but what good is a set of headlights that only shines on the things directly in front of you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Rdi...search=Hidding

Now check the last car in this line-up. One headlight is halogen in halogen housing and the other is xenon in halogen housing. When its approaching notice how much glare is coming off the xenon one compared to the stock one. When it gets near the camera notice that the xenon is putting down FAR LESS light than the halogen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcX63...search=Hidding

Both of those are real life examples. And here is a movie where tests are being done by proffesionals to prove my point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuSS...search=Hidding


And then you have these...both jettas. Notice how much wider the xenons go and dont have two separate hotspots like the hid-drop ins





If you ask me it's one of the dumbest mods. You do it to get that "cool" look that BMW's and Lexus's have as they cruise around. Heck, i even think it looks cool. But if you just throw HIDs in a halogen housing....you look less cool than when you had halogens. There is nothing sillier than a car approaching with big glaring blue headlights. I laugh to myself as i know another cheap-skate wanted that xenon look but couldnt finish the mod by getting real housings. And for all that they sacrificed much needed lighting, and are harming other drivers.....not a very good trade-off for looking silly

 

Nice write up rally but its not fair to compare it using a camera which shows glare off the halogens of the 3 cars before the other car comes into view.

that other pic of the car being 5 ft from a wall doesnt do it justice being your not coming head on with people at 5ft....put that car at 50-100 feet away from the wall and i bet you wont see any glare which is the viewing distance of oncoming lights when you get that and see if you get the same glare.

of coarse your going to get that type of glare pulling 5ft from a wall, the light has nowhere to go

 

i find it funny that rally posted that exact same thing when i asked about dropping in a HID kit a couple of months ago.....copy and paste from the TEX much?

 

All lights will have glare with a camera like that....but compare the halogen and xenon to the halogen on that exact same car at the same time at the same distance.

I have seen pics 50 feet from the wall and there is still light up there. It's not as obvious....but ANY light above the cutoff is dangerous. Normal headlights and real xenons don't do that. I have driven by ricers and poor BMW modders and can easily see the glare 50 feet away and all the way up to 5 ft away (you gotta be 5ft from them at some point if they are oncoming traffic).

Uh i dont know about you, but my stock headlights dont do that, and real xenons dont do that when they are 5ft from the wall......what headlights have you been using How tall are jettas stock...like 5'10" ? Maybe a little less? That glare is going close to 9 -10 feet up the wall. I would love to see a car with stock halogen headlights pull that close and have glare that shows up 4 feet above the car. There might be some fuzziness on the cutoff...but 4 feet up?

What are your thoughts on the test that has a machine to test the glare compared to halogens? They tested the halogens and ricer-hids in the exact same manner and found far more glare on the "xenons".

I will try to find more pics. If you want more information on the poor quality that they offer.....there is some amazing information at www.hidplanet.com

 

The two car pics are from the tex.....the movies are from HID planet. Posted by someone whose job it is to design HID housings properly.

I will continue to post these where ever necessary. It is important for people to realize that they are losing light and making the road dangerous. Atleast i didnt copy-paste my exact post....i took care to write it so that it worked in this thread.

No matter where i got the pics from....its true. The tests show it right in that clip. Less light, more glare, cheap look.

How are you liking your ricer lights?

 

I must say, you do have alot to say about HIDs as it seems you have done alot of research on this subject. Define "ricer" because i think the setup i have with all my mods would def not be defined as rice just because i put HIDs in my car. my lights are def not "glaring" like your showing in that picture. And where do you get that they arent brighter than stock, you must be crazy. its night n day. just my fogs alone make a big difference and there not in peoples faces as i took a hour drive before and not one flash. I cant say nothing about the testing machine as its proof that there is glare over stock which we all knew to begin with but not enough to bother oncoming traffic if you have them aimed the right way, the glare isnt anymore blinding to a basic xenon set up. theres times im blindin by bimmers, MBs and high end cars coming down the road....xenon and hids are basiclly the same brightness with just your option of different kelvin ratings for color hue

 

I'll reiterate

 

 

1up for those trying to turn this into another tex

 

these are my HIDs with the car 6-10ft from a wall like the jetta

 

Man if a wall jumps out in front of you, you'll see it before you hit it.

 

lol

it was to show rally the cutoffs after my HHID install.

 

No Rice For Me-Low Carb!

But these lights are great, I forgot who originally told me bout'em but would like to thank them, I think it was a VW or Land Rover site.

Osram H7 rallye+65W (euro spec): 65W, 2100 lumens, 500 hours, $28.40/ea

http://www.danielsternlighting.com

 

I agree. Brighter beats bluer and dimmer for me as well.

 

I have 4 of these in mine (Hi and Lo's) and they throw plenty of light for me, even though I haven't had them re-aimed since I put them in.

 

Is there a "how to" that still has all its pics?