Drivetrain New oil cooler (picture warning)
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"Sounds like nabeshin did not bother to establish a baseline or establish real need by actually finding out oil temps before this mod and now if the mod is actually effective it will actually keep oil temps too low? (below 212F or 100C)" -planeguy
That is what the thermostat is for. It allows the oil to come to temp before opening up. If I feel the need, I can get the 200ºF thermostat and simply switch them out. My old oil cooler didnt have a thermostat, so this is a step up. I had the old oil cooler for quite some time. Winter temps got to like -5ºF here on some days. So there is a posibility my oil was too cold all winter. It might have been too cold for the whole year I had that old cooler. I dont know since I didnt have the temp gauge. But now it's better. Out side temp was maybe 60ºF here today, and my oil got up to 210ºF. Summer temps here can get up to 104º, there should be no problem getting up to the magic 212º. Winter is a long way off, and I wont be driving my car from about Sept. to Dec. since I will be in Japan. The 200º thermostat could be my winter option, 180º for summer.
About my driving style, I always go to redline in first gear when the speed limit allows and floor it all the time. In town I usually only use 3 or 4 gears and keep rpms above 4k all the time, the engine sounds so sweet. I could care less about gas milage.
That is what the thermostat is for. It allows the oil to come to temp before opening up. If I feel the need, I can get the 200ºF thermostat and simply switch them out. My old oil cooler didnt have a thermostat, so this is a step up. I had the old oil cooler for quite some time. Winter temps got to like -5ºF here on some days. So there is a posibility my oil was too cold all winter. It might have been too cold for the whole year I had that old cooler. I dont know since I didnt have the temp gauge. But now it's better. Out side temp was maybe 60ºF here today, and my oil got up to 210ºF. Summer temps here can get up to 104º, there should be no problem getting up to the magic 212º. Winter is a long way off, and I wont be driving my car from about Sept. to Dec. since I will be in Japan. The 200º thermostat could be my winter option, 180º for summer.
About my driving style, I always go to redline in first gear when the speed limit allows and floor it all the time. In town I usually only use 3 or 4 gears and keep rpms above 4k all the time, the engine sounds so sweet. I could care less about gas milage.
Still, I like the way the Setrab fits. Could you give more details on the rest of the components in your kit. I know you listed some prices, but do you have sources or even possibly part numbers for the hoses, fittings, etc.?
Last edited by nabeshin; Oct 29, 2009 at 12:33 AM.
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From: Lincoln, NE
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/
Part no.
AER-FBA0800 -----Hose, AQP tube w/ stainless steel braid, 1/2" --nine feet of hose, total price of $53.77
AER-FCM1013 ------FTG REUS AL STR JIC/AN -08 SWI3 VEL (the straight ones) -- four of them, total $33.60
AER-FCM4033 ---------FTG REUS AL SAE 37 JIC 90 DEG -08 (the 90º ones) --I ordered four but only used two, total cost for two is $39.50
MOC-8AN ----------8AN OIL THERMOSTAT --one at $99.99
total order was $318.41
I had ordered a 13 row Mocal cooler but had to return it because it didn't fit. Yes, I did measure the spot I was to put it, but you know.
From British American Transfers
setrab page:
http://64.202.180.37/files/setrab$.pdf
A7F22 -------7 row M22F 235mm Oil Cooler --1 at $105.00
M22RU08-90 ---------M22 X -8AN 90 Deg Swivel --2 of them, total of $27.20
I'm not sure if it was clear in the thread, but I only ended up using 2 of the straight and all 4 of the 90º, then I had to buy 2 more 90º bits, hence the color difference on the parts mounted to the cooler itself.
The metal brakets and bolts came from Homedepot for less than $15 I think. The adapter plate was part of this kit: http://www.mossmini.com/Shop/ViewPro...16&SortOrder=1
the thing broke so I kept the plate. I would recomend getting the Mini Mania adapter plate, I'm about to get that so I can relocate my gauge senders.
Part no.
AER-FBA0800 -----Hose, AQP tube w/ stainless steel braid, 1/2" --nine feet of hose, total price of $53.77
AER-FCM1013 ------FTG REUS AL STR JIC/AN -08 SWI3 VEL (the straight ones) -- four of them, total $33.60
AER-FCM4033 ---------FTG REUS AL SAE 37 JIC 90 DEG -08 (the 90º ones) --I ordered four but only used two, total cost for two is $39.50
MOC-8AN ----------8AN OIL THERMOSTAT --one at $99.99
total order was $318.41
I had ordered a 13 row Mocal cooler but had to return it because it didn't fit. Yes, I did measure the spot I was to put it, but you know.
From British American Transfers
setrab page:
http://64.202.180.37/files/setrab$.pdf
A7F22 -------7 row M22F 235mm Oil Cooler --1 at $105.00
M22RU08-90 ---------M22 X -8AN 90 Deg Swivel --2 of them, total of $27.20
I'm not sure if it was clear in the thread, but I only ended up using 2 of the straight and all 4 of the 90º, then I had to buy 2 more 90º bits, hence the color difference on the parts mounted to the cooler itself.
The metal brakets and bolts came from Homedepot for less than $15 I think. The adapter plate was part of this kit: http://www.mossmini.com/Shop/ViewPro...16&SortOrder=1
the thing broke so I kept the plate. I would recomend getting the Mini Mania adapter plate, I'm about to get that so I can relocate my gauge senders.
Last edited by nabeshin; Oct 29, 2009 at 12:32 AM.
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From: Lincoln, NE
I had no baseline temps. Before you start, I wanted a full oil cooler because it was different and race car-esque. I feel it provided some butt dyno gains when my temps got above 200º, I added temp and pressure gauges at the same time.
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From: USA
You have good taste. We think alike, I dated a few girls in Japan who looked that good. Lots of fun. heh heh.
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/
Part no.
AER-FBA0800 -----Hose, AQP tube w/ stainless steel braid, 1/2" --nine feet of hose, total price of $53.77
AER-FCM1013 ------FTG REUS AL STR JIC/AN -08 SWI3 VEL (the straight ones) -- four of them, total $33.60
AER-FCM4033 ---------FTG REUS AL SAE 37 JIC 90 DEG -08 (the 90º ones) --I ordered four but only used two, total cost for two is $39.50
MOC-8AN ----------8AN OIL THERMOSTAT --one at $99.99
total order was $318.41
I had ordered a 13 row Mocal cooler but had to return it because it didn't fit. Yes, I did measure the spot I was to put it, but you know.
From British American Transfers
setrab page:
http://64.202.180.37/files/setrab$.pdf
A7F22 -------7 row M22F 235mm Oil Cooler --1 at $105.00
M22RU08-90 ---------M22 X -8AN 90 Deg Swivel --2 of them, total of $27.20
I'm not sure if it was clear in the thread, but I only ended up using 2 of the straight and all 4 of the 90º, then I had to buy 2 more 90º bits, hence the color difference on the parts mounted to the cooler itself.
The metal brakets and bolts came from Homedepot for less than $15 I think. The adapter plate was part of this kit: http://www.mossmini.com/Shop/ViewPro...16&SortOrder=1
the thing broke so I kept the plate. I would recomend getting the Mini Mania adapter plate, I'm about to get that so I can relocate my gauge senders.
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/
Part no.
AER-FBA0800 -----Hose, AQP tube w/ stainless steel braid, 1/2" --nine feet of hose, total price of $53.77
AER-FCM1013 ------FTG REUS AL STR JIC/AN -08 SWI3 VEL (the straight ones) -- four of them, total $33.60
AER-FCM4033 ---------FTG REUS AL SAE 37 JIC 90 DEG -08 (the 90º ones) --I ordered four but only used two, total cost for two is $39.50
MOC-8AN ----------8AN OIL THERMOSTAT --one at $99.99
total order was $318.41
I had ordered a 13 row Mocal cooler but had to return it because it didn't fit. Yes, I did measure the spot I was to put it, but you know.
From British American Transfers
setrab page:
http://64.202.180.37/files/setrab$.pdf
A7F22 -------7 row M22F 235mm Oil Cooler --1 at $105.00
M22RU08-90 ---------M22 X -8AN 90 Deg Swivel --2 of them, total of $27.20
I'm not sure if it was clear in the thread, but I only ended up using 2 of the straight and all 4 of the 90º, then I had to buy 2 more 90º bits, hence the color difference on the parts mounted to the cooler itself.
The metal brakets and bolts came from Homedepot for less than $15 I think. The adapter plate was part of this kit: http://www.mossmini.com/Shop/ViewPro...16&SortOrder=1
the thing broke so I kept the plate. I would recomend getting the Mini Mania adapter plate, I'm about to get that so I can relocate my gauge senders.
http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=219
The black hoses and Setrab run an additional $299.00 So I guess one would have to drop some serious coin just to get that adapter plate.
ha!!! it's too funny . when you google optimum oil temp (as i did a loooong time ago ) you get nothing . no one will commit to what the optimum temp is . hmmm . guess we'll never know . but i'm gonna meet half way and go up to 210 f .
if your pressure ain't changin' it means it's gettin ' in there and that's it . . . . . . . . . period . if pressure were still high i'd say yeah too cold but pressure for me doesn't change after 160 - 170 . sorry my oil seems to be getting where it's sposed to .
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Madness has an instruction pdf I believe, I've been thinking of getting it for some time now, just waiting for the funds.
It usually fits center like you have it although below and behind the lower grille opening. Right to the front of the radiator.
Some have installed it above like pictured. Since in cold weather snow and ice are an issue getting in the lower grille.
The nice part is the plate that comes with it has attachments already for oil temp/pressure gauges...
Nice job...
It usually fits center like you have it although below and behind the lower grille opening. Right to the front of the radiator.
Some have installed it above like pictured. Since in cold weather snow and ice are an issue getting in the lower grille.
The nice part is the plate that comes with it has attachments already for oil temp/pressure gauges...
Nice job...
Im not sure where the Madness cooler fits. I did this on my own with no instructions.
As for the radiator absorbing heat, I guess it does, but then again the entire radiator is coverd up by the a/c condenser. But ive never actuall felt the a/c condenser after running a/c on max all day. My freon leaked out some time ago so I have no a/c. I might just remove the condenser and a/c pump to save weight.
The stock oil heat exchanger heated up the antifreeze directly, my oil cooler is just air blowby. The negative is far out weighed by the positive of optimal temp oil. More over, my cooler covers far less of the radiator than the people with converted trans coolers. I guess coopers with CVT might have a problem too.
One more thing, as for changing the oil filter, the lower hoses after the thermostat have extra slack in them so that it can be pulled out and the filter can be accessed.
As for the radiator absorbing heat, I guess it does, but then again the entire radiator is coverd up by the a/c condenser. But ive never actuall felt the a/c condenser after running a/c on max all day. My freon leaked out some time ago so I have no a/c. I might just remove the condenser and a/c pump to save weight.
The stock oil heat exchanger heated up the antifreeze directly, my oil cooler is just air blowby. The negative is far out weighed by the positive of optimal temp oil. More over, my cooler covers far less of the radiator than the people with converted trans coolers. I guess coopers with CVT might have a problem too.
One more thing, as for changing the oil filter, the lower hoses after the thermostat have extra slack in them so that it can be pulled out and the filter can be accessed.
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