How many mini owners will consider changing their currents S when the new engine is available, I have pondering this question and as far as the tritec engine there is a lot to be desired when compared to the one on the turbo neon, I feel this car needs at least 220hp from stock which I think is possible with the french engine< have you seen the WRC on speedvision and the peugeot is kicking every one including the so famed new arrivals from subaru sti and the lancer evo are not match for the 306.
I love the mini however the lack of torque is a serious deficit, JCW in my opinion is a rip off, here in the USA we do street light racing where torque is a must, any thoughts

 

How much HP is it going to put out?

 

I am thinking of a 2.0l engine 16v with turbo rather than supercharger, the other day I was wiped by a neon SRT :evil:

 

If its french I would not buy it even if it had 500hp. G.D. French weren't there for us when we asked for their help. Not that we needed it but the principle is what matters. If it wasnt for us they would be speaking German today. They can kiss this Marines a** . No more french fries, french bread, or anything else french for this USA guy!! Now I feel better. :smile:

 

I respect your opinion how you feel abouth the French, and I think this is what make this country the best in the world, I is a fact that the next mini will have a french engine I just checked the peugeot.com site and they have a 180hp 1.8l engine, politics aside people are people and sometimes not agreeing with one another dose not make them our enemies

 

> If it wasnt for us they would be speaking German today.

<rant> Hmm, I'd check my facts. I think they'd be speaking Japanese.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I can't let ignorance roam freely.

Ignorance=Hate. Nobull, take your media earmuffs off. Everybody (including France) has their reasons for doing (or not doing) things. Objectivity will save the world. </rant>

Now back to the topic... I can't say Chrysler makes great engines, but neither does Peugeot. Why can't BMW just develop their own? God knows they have the resources!

 

Ok, being Fech Canadian, let me just say this...
The US would not be what it is today if it weren't for the French during the Revolutionary War. That said, do we really have to boycott everything French? Yes it was foolish for them not to fight by ou sides, but is boycotting doing any good?

I would like to take a good look at that engine...

 

I lived thought a civil war and I can tell you that it is better to disagree with another human beign rather to kill them, We all have some type of different decendant beign french german or blue red black does not defined one is how we treat people around us, I personally think that war does not resolve anything, We love the little car and to me that is what matters :smile:

 

My problem with the French today is the leadership, not the general populance. I still wouldn't buy a French automotive product, as I still have bad memories of the rotten things they used to sell. Can anyone say "Le Car"?

 

Like America isn't rotten...can anyone say Enron?

 

Oh, for the love of...

There are ENOUGH threads on this site that have descended into this ridiculous French-bashing flag-waving BS!!! The guy is asking an interesting question about the upcoming Peugeot engine, something that there hasn't been much talk of on MCO. Take the politics elsewhere, for once, please!

NoBull, you really have a knack for stopping threads dead in their tracks.
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so mini is ditching its current engine and coming out w/ a peugot engine, when is this gonna happen?

 

I'd upgrade my MINI for a significant design change and power increase.

Give me 220hp stock and I would be one happy guy!

 

I read an article in automobile magazine regarding the current status of the auto industry in france the guy who wrote is Jammie Kitman whose father ran for presidency, he is also a mini owner, Mr Kitman in my opinion is a great writer, he commented that Peugeot may come back to the US and that may be a good thing , my father had 3 of those cars a 204,304,and 504 and they were fairly reliable

 

I think 220 is a good number to aim for, a majority of us would be happy with that...

 

The French are cowards and can't win a war without American help but thats not why I wouldnt want a Peugot engine...french cars are just plain crap! I'd rather have the Chrysler engine but it would be nice to have BMW design their own engine for the MINI. Shoot I'd rather have a Japanese turbocharged engine then anything French!

 

The fact of the matter is that the engine will be available somewhere in 2006 because the partnership with tritec is no longer valid because daimler owns it now, I think politics have no place here or anywhere for that matter I personally will consider changing my current S if the power increase is substantial over the current engine, I would do it ,please no more politics.

 

It's not the politics, its the quality and reliability of the engines. It may look good on paper but in reality it could be a peice of junk.

 

Reliability is important, I would love also to have a BMW build engine in the car however that is not going to materialize, the renault ,peugeot 506 were rather troublesome cars, I have driven there cars and the are closer in driving fun to the fiat and lancias thatn the germans the only drawback is that they were unreliable

 

>>> If it wasnt for us they would be speaking German today.
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>><rant> Hmm, I'd check my facts. I think they'd be speaking Japanese.
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>>Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I can't let ignorance roam freely.
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>>Ignorance=Hate. Nobull, take your media earmuffs off. Everybody (including France) has their reasons for doing (or not doing) things. Objectivity will save the world. </rant>
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>>Now back to the topic... I can't say Chrysler makes great engines, but neither does Peugeot. Why can't BMW just develop their own? God knows they have the resources!


Not to bring the thread back to politics, but I want to understand what you are saying here.

France was German occupied during the war, and the US and allied forces liberated occupied France. Are you referring to the Japaneese being the last os the Axis powers to surrender? I just want to make sure I have my history straight and don't run around an ignoramus.

Thanks!

 

I don't understand why BMW did a deal with either Chrysler or Peugot. What about Honda? Their engines are the greatest and they now turn the "right" direction!

 

hey randy looking foward to meet you in person, I read in the latest car and driver that even jcw is already working with the new engine

 

FWIW, the French reliability is great in rallying. Though they're worlds apart, companies learn lessons from these things, and apply them to future production. It's an interesting question, and I wouldn't rule out the French based on perceptions of reliability 15 years old. Kind of like American cars 15 years ago, I wouldn't tolerate that either.

My wife and I honeymooned there in '91 and drove around with some friends in a new Renault (4 people & luggage packed in a renault!) and it was a great little car. Really taut, kinda peppy for what it was. It really surprised me as I knew a Le Car owner many years ago. (Single worst car I've ever driven.)

IF the reports start dribbling in that this was a phenomenal engine (larger displacement, better off-the-line torque, fuel economy) I'd switch. Keep in mind, we're likely to be done paying off the car we have, and I wouldn't want to buy the first year of production unless it's an exsting engine from their stable.

Oh, If I've already done the mods I intend to, all that speculation goes out the window.

Jeff

 

Here are the pic of the
peugeot 306 sport

http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/sport/...home/en/images


Cool looking

 

>>> If it wasnt for us they would be speaking German today.
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>><rant> Hmm, I'd check my facts. I think they'd be speaking Japanese.
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>>Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I can't let ignorance roam freely.
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>>Ignorance=Hate. Nobull, take your media earmuffs off. Everybody (including France) has their reasons for doing (or not doing) things. Objectivity will save the world. </rant>
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>>Now back to the topic... I can't say Chrysler makes great engines, but neither does Peugeot. Why can't BMW just develop their own? God knows they have the resources!

Actually, as Randy said the French were occupied by the Germans... ever see those videos of the French marching through the streets of Paris? If it wasn't for us the French would be speaking German... not Japanese. Yes, the Japanese were in the war as well but they had no interest in France. Get your facts straight and then call someone ignorant.

As for the engine part of this thread, do you really think MINI/BMW would sell a stock car this light that makes 220HP for the price it is? I really doubt that there will be much of a power increase if any.

However, if there were a significant power increase I may have to look into getting a second MINI as I know in about 20 years these fun little cars we have will be collectors items.
-Chris

p.s. You don't really think they'd put a rally engine in a street car do you? Just because someone is winning rally races doesn't mean squat about their street cars.