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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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I'm using mini maddness aftermarket boots - heavy duty like the M7.

I made an appointment for this Friday to see Peter at MyMini to have the car checked out - so I can stop the crazy paranoia going on in my head :impatient .
 
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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You should be OK.
Take a break with Jim or Jack & sip & sit... You"ll have a whole new outlook afterwhile..... Just don't drive.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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good advice .
 
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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I hope your s/c is ok and you'll find from where that "junk" was coming from!!

See you on Saturday!!

We need to set a meet place for Saturday morning!

I'll call you on Friday!
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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Here's an update on the squeal - I decided to retrace steps. Last week I had rerouted my output OCC line. The output side was orginially hooked up to the CAI tube. I decided to hook it up to the grey tube to see if it collected more oil. Unfortunately, I went with fancy aftermarket color tubing and the result was that it collapsed due to the vaccum (grey tube). I hooked it back to std configuration and the squealing stopped. Another side effect was that the fan would come on strong when I turned the car off. I guess that since the output tube collapsed it stopped the air from exiting the engine. DAMAGE? would welcome feedback here.

I will see tomorrow if the smell disappeared. If this too disappears then while relieved also consurned that I might have done damage (burning smell). Will definetly change oil tomorrow!
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 04:58 PM
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DAMAGE? would welcome feedback here.
As long as your valve cover is intact, you should be all set. You may want to check for any oil seepage from the valve cover gasket, front crank seal, etc.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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the end of the story is -

1) no damage/ no sepage. I redid the OCC using the single sided configuration with NEW std black tubing that won't collapse.

2) smell - I had covered the exhaust manifold heat shield with left over Thermo-Tech (I did my CAI box and botoom of DFIC) bit mistake - glue let go and it rested on the header and burned producing a nasty oder.

3) Never really found out what that stuff was or where it came from. As to am I producing full boost (guage shows less lately). The mechanic felt that the car was a 15% pulley plus car and that the guage/guage tubing was suspect.

I will find out tomorrow for its DYNO DAY tomorrow.

appreciate peoples input thanks
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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Glad you fixed/figured out some of your issues, Bart.

Looking forward to see your dyno numbers.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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Good luck on the Dyno tomorrow Bart

Don't forget to post the numers!

Of course we'll need the proof and the empirical data to analyze and put doubt to any positive results you might get.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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Maybe possible when you changed the OCC and pushed the hose onto the hose nipples, the nipples shaved the inside of the OCC hoses and those shavings found their way because of the vacuum into the intake duct. Nope read the whole thing again, if I understand you found this stuff in the IC outlet side. Maybe shaved the IC boot on that side, is the stuff rubbery.

3) Never really found out what that stuff was or where it came from. As to am I producing full boost (guage shows less lately). The mechanic felt that the car was a 15% pulley plus car and that the guage/guage tubing was suspect.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 03:32 PM
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DYNO DAY was GREAT always fun hanging with other MINI enthusiasts however it confirmed what I have been feeling is that that something is not right with the car.

My DYNO indicated 167 HP and 150 TQ HOWEVER a STOCK MCS produced 163HP. Based on what other cars were pulling today, I should have been in the area of 180 HP.

So now the process of elimination begins for me to find why the car is off.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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My DYNO indicated 167 HP and 150 TQ HOWEVER a STOCK MCS produced 163HP. Based on what other cars were pulling today, I should have been in the area of 180 HP.

So now the process of elimination begins for me to find why the car is off.
Something is definitely not right, Bart. You should be putting down more power than that. If you want to give me a call, maybe we can narrow it down.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 08:08 AM
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Something is definitely not right, Bart. You should be putting down more power than that. If you want to give me a call, maybe we can narrow it down.
Removed IC this morning - now both ends are visualy clean of junk. My son put together a contraption connected to a compressor and more stuff came out of the IC.

Its got to be the SC coating .

1) gotta go to dealer, I have saved the junk to show them.
2) what else can I pass thru the DFIC to "clean" it ?

On a side note, another guy had a DFIC - he drove 200 miles and his right horn was cool to the touch. My horn was hot compared to his. So my DFIC is not performing as it should - blockage must be the cause.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 08:32 AM
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Removed IC this morning - now both ends are visualy clean of junk. My son put together a contraption connected to a compressor and more stuff came out of the IC.

Its got to be the SC coating .

1) gotta go to dealer, I have saved the junk to show them.
2) what else can I pass thru the DFIC to "clean" it ?

On a side note, another guy had a DFIC - he drove 200 miles and his right horn was cool to the touch. My horn was hot compared to his. So my DFIC is not performing as it should - blockage must be the cause.
Blockage in the DFIC would definitely give you the conditions you are getting.

Cleaning out the core will be difficult, as the fin density is very high. Maybe try a blow gun through both sides.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PARTSMAN
Blockage in the DFIC would definitely give you the conditions you are getting.

Cleaning out the core will be difficult, as the fin density is very high. Maybe try a blow gun through both sides.
Who do you think is the biggest blowhard on the board ?

Perhaps I could get that person to rap their lips around one side of the DFIC and blow
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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What do you think the dealership service department can do that you cannot? Get in there and take a look, it sure beats speculation. That debris in the photo does not look like 03 model non-JCW SC lobe coating; your mystery material is black is it not? It will cost you far less money to remove the bumper, put the radiator support in service mode, pull the throttle body & supercharger intake tube, then use a mirror and flash light to get a look in the SC intake side; if material is missing it will be readily apparent, if some of the mystery stuff is in the intake ducts then at least you will have removed it and eliminated some possibilities.

My guess is the material was in the IC to begin with because there is nothing up stream (other than ITG foam) or downstream that could have produced a thin, squished, black vinyl looking, paint like substance plastered to the IC output side.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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K-huevo "My guess is the material was in the IC to begin with because there is nothing up stream (other than ITG foam) or downstream that could have produced a thin, squished, black vinyl looking, paint like substance plastered to the IC output side."

ditto! the material, needing to be removed with an Axecto knife, had to have been there.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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The stuff is greyish - a bit darker than ducktape.

my son used a compressor and more came out !
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 01:43 PM
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If it's grey then it could be dreaded lobe dandruff; time to dive in.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 02:05 PM
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NEWS

DarkminiS was kind enough to lend me his stock IC unit and I took it out for a quick spin - and I reached 14lbs of boost .

Clearly, my DFIC is clogged.

What the material is ? is still not 100% clear. Would anyone be able to confirm if its SC coating if I sent you a sample?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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My guess is the material was in the IC to begin with because there is nothing up stream (other than ITG foam) or downstream that could have produced a thin, squished, black vinyl looking, paint like substance plastered to the IC output side.
Keith, if this were the case, don't you think Bart would have had an issue before now? He's had the DFIC installed for a while.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamabart
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DarkminiS was kind enough to lend me his stock IC unit and I took it out for a quick spin - and I reached 14lbs of boost .

Clearly, my DFIC is clogged.

What the material is ? is still not 100% clear. Would anyone be able to confirm if its SC coating if I sent you a sample?
I might be able to tell if it is the SC coating -- I run a lot of neutron activation tests for fluorine. The trouble is, I don't know for sure what your SC is coated with. The '05 and later have a black fluoropolymer coating, but I suspect the earlier SCs are coated with some type of fluoropolymer as well, just not as high quality. Anyways, I only need a few tenths of a gram to see if it is a fluoropolymer, which, by your description, it seems to be. If you're interested, PM me.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 04:12 AM
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Is the coating flammabile? Either the lobe material or the IC coating?
 
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 07:37 AM
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Is the coating flammabile? Either the lobe material or the IC coating?
I did put a lighter to it and yes it did burn.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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I did put a lighter to it and yes it did burn.
I thought you had already tried the burn test ( just making sure ). I don't believe either of the coatings, IC or SC lobe, are flammible ( IC for sure ).
 
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