compair their new intercoolers what are the pro's and cons of them both and is it cost effective?

 

oh oh oh ! IBTL!!! LOL.... I keed I keeeed... lets hope not...

 

In my opinion, the difference between the two will be insignificant. If you are looking for which one to get, then I think it will be up for your personal taste and who ever will provide better service and price. You can also see the relevant items that can be added on the IC. The M7 water sprayer looks very appealing and probably better efficiency (just speculating ) and from my knowledge I know that they have something in the works to add on in the near future . On the other hand, I’m sure that Alta, as a reputed company , is going to compete with that and provide you (the consumer) with more options. At the end, you are gaining from this competition and the pros and cons are very minimal over each other and not worth mentioning probably (don’t know if I missed something ). Again, don’t hate me for this as it is my personal opinion and cannot state the pros and cons coz I have tried neither, well yet , but pretty sure that they will perform relatively the same on a not so heavy modified MCS.
My choice goes for Quality, Service and Performance. Price is the last thing in my list, but that’s only me
Hope you get the answers you want coz this issue will be a delimma

 

Me too! Me too!!!

 

To the completely unenlightened, unintelligent, unreligious (when it comes to tuner companies on this board), these two products look exactly the same, and the one that elicits the most propaganda will win and sell more (M7).

There will be pages and pages (already are) on this board comparing these two items, but the fact remains that until someone has both, puts them both on on the same day (on the same car), and measures temps and then reports, how are we to know?

Good luck deciding.

mb

 

M7 DFIC
1)available with heat dispersant coating, and heat rejection coating on the bottom
2)you can get it polished or not
3)bungs for temp probes or boost gauge are already drilled and tapped
4)comes with new boots and clamp bolts
5)comes with a dedicated scoop to achieve max efficiency, also available without the scoop
6)is part of a system with new items coming

compare to the Alta...

Alta
1)no
2)no
3)no
4)no
5)no, is available without scoop
6)no

I'm sure I missed some, but it looks to me that the DFIC is more cost effective, and more effective all around.

 

PARTSMAN: Thanks for the run down. Just a few corrections:

1) Our V 2.0 TMIC comes with the coating at no additional charge, as well as includes an auxillary reflective panel for the bottom side as well. Might be hard to see in the current photos, but trust that it is in the box. (More photos coming soon, some from SEMA do shwo the panel though.)

2) True. Ours only comes in stealthy black

3) The only probes I have seen installed are EGT (exhaust gas temperature) probes on the aforementioned part. Those type of sensors are slow and unnecessary (they have a heat shielding to allow them to withstand temps in excess of 2000 deg. A genuine air temp sensor is fully exposed for fast response and accurate readings far below that threshold). GM air temp sensors are only $15 ea., have faster response and can be installed with a simple tap. Nothing needs to be welded or modded at the factory. If enough clients demand this, we can certainly do that here.

4) While not needed to prevent a leak, our red couplers are available no charge with proof of purchase. See your dealer or ALTA direct for them. Because our core is significantly wider than the OEM and the competition to increase core surface area the boots are not needed to support the core and make up a large gap between the manifolds and the core. Again, if a client want them we will provide em!

5) A diverter is built into the front of the ALTA core, but if you want a larger mouth go to M7 direct. They have a really nice option that compliments the hood of your MINI. This combination saves money and gets you the best of both worlds.

6) Little lost there, but check out our new V 2.0 parts at www.altaminiperformance.com

7) Please note that our V 2.0 upgrade also includes a water sprayer system at no additional charge. The dual sprayer pattern from a single nozzle efficiently sprays the entire core surface on demand.

Thanks NAM!

 

I just went to the ALta web site and all info on both intercoolers has been pulled ?

 

LOL.

 

You're welcome.
I don't remember ever seeing a DFIC with EGT probes in it.
The IC is for the induction/intake side, not the exhaust side.

 

Hello
Just a quick note here. Those pages are up and running. They can be found in the side bar under induction or by typing the word intercooler into the search field. Just double checked they are up and running and have never been down since the site launched.

Version 2.0 Intercooler Click here

Classic Intercooler Click here

Also I have been asked to get a clear picture of the Version2.0 intercooler heat shield up on the web site ASAP. Should clear up some question...

 

alta dealer can you send me the install instructions to the v2.0 id like to look at them so i know how easy it is to install

 

PARTSMAN: See the photo below from the recent advertisement from M7. (He even states it uses 1/8 NPT and the GM air temp sensors all use 3/8" NPT or 1/2" NPT. EGT sensors use 1/8 NPT. ( Feel free to correct me.);-) I am completely in agreeance that the intercooler is not on the exhaust side, hence why use an EGT probe in that location.



Thanks again NAM!

 

THe bungs on the DFIC are really not in the right place, unless you can find probles that are really long, and really skinny. My VR probes are short (1") and fat (1/4" dia.) The logical location is in the middle of the intake and outlet caps.
cheers,

 

You forgot to mention FREE T-SHIRT with the ALTA!

...and what a deal too.

This debate is intriguing if nothing else.

 

This debate is more than intriguing.
With what information is available Alta has my attention. It will be interesting to see what shakes out. If the weather was not turning cold here, I'd be interested in getting 1 of these units, put it on a flow bench, drive test it & see how it compares with the OE & Forge that have been on this car. Could be a keeper... besides black rules...

 

The probes I used in the DFIC thread were about 3-4 in. long.... the temps recorded pretty much matched others findings.... more recently I have been monitoring IAT with the Unichip Flux...

this really looks like a pissing match is shaping up....too bad...been nice if the products had more/better differentiation....been nice if I saw a new product and said "wow, now that is a better idea, gotta get one.... rather than Oh, I already have one of those".... but that is just me.....

 

2nd that.

 

Right on

 

SpiderX: We certainly weren't trying to start any issue or "p****" match. But for something TRULY new and different check out our PWI1 system

http://www.altaminiperformance.com/p...jection-System

This works with ANY intercooler upgrade or stock.

Hope that helps!

Thanks again folks! We always appreciate the opportunity to help!

 

Not all temp sensors are 3/8" and 1/2" NPT, I have found a bunch of different ones with 1/8" NPT, Just because GM uses the larger thread, doesn't make it the standard.

 

That's what you get for trying to provide the correct information for your product after it was misrepresented.

How does yours rate on the fanny-dyno? Sensitive butt-dynos everywhere are reporting huge gains with the DFIC...............

 

I liked the text explanation as much as the product....

 

Alta FTW! They are a great bunch of guys that make good products and market and promote their products in a truly respectable manner. Customer support is also top notch in my experience. Plus, black is sexy and who can resist a free t-shirt!

 

The alta IC 2.0 has got my attention, its coating/heat sheilding and water sprayer dont cost extra unlike M7, and its easier cheaper to install because you dont have to mess with the scoop. Granted M7 will sell without scoop but the diverter/sealer on the alta unit is built for the OEM scoop whereas the M7 diverter/sealers were built for use with M7 scoop, so it suggests if both units without scoop that the alta has a flow advantage. I don't care if the M7 scoop will yield 1 or 2 more hp, I don't like aesthetically any of the aftermarket scoops, although I do admit the M7 DFIC scoop is the least ugly of the aftermarket scoops and probably the only one I would have considered.

The resulting competition for this type of IC will be better for the consumer so statements about lack of originality dont really cut it IMHO.