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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 12:43 AM
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Works GP intercooler upgrade

This is the new Works GP intercooler.
Here are some facts that I measured on my car.
The temperate is reduced with this part by about 12-14° C.
I was on the dyno and it showed a difference of plus 15 hp. I have to say that I have uncommon mods because I have a 0,95mm + 0,65mm gasket to reduce pinging. I use a 19 % pulley in combination with MTH and some other mods. With Standard mods I think you could get about 10 hp more.
I also have to mention that there is no loss in pressure with the GP intercooler!


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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:01 AM
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I can't believe you get 15hp from two extra intercooler slats!
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GBMINI
I can't believe you get 15hp from two extra intercooler slats!
I second that. And $800 for that package seems high, no?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:20 AM
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I don't think the price is so bad - there's a thread somewhere with MINI pricing and I think the intercooler was $500 and the cover was $200 or something like that ...
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:23 AM
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$200 for a plastic cover is absurd. The intercooler core itself I can see that price.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 03:12 PM
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I called my local dealership and they can order me the GP intercooler for $285. No GP needed. Throw in the screws, underhood air duct and overpriced cover and it will probably run you over half the price of a good aftermarket intercooler setup.

Not a bad price for those that are wanting to keep the stock look or can't convince their better half to let them spend money on a DFIC.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SB
I called my local dealership and they can order me the GP intercooler for $285. No GP needed. Throw in the screws, underhood air duct and overpriced cover and it will probably run you over half the price of a good aftermarket intercooler setup.

Not a bad price for those that are wanting to keep the stock look or can't convince their better half to let them spend money on a DFIC.
So what exactly are the differences between the GP intercooler and the stock intercooler?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MINIotaple
So what exactly are the differences between the GP intercooler and the stock intercooler?
Ian has a great photo section of this comparison. See:

http://www.gpmini.net/mtblog/archive...mparison.shtml
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MINIotaple
So what exactly are the differences between the GP intercooler and the stock intercooler?
A GP owner in our local MINI group said that the GP intercooler is "remarkably similar" to the GRS intercooler, for a lot less money. It's two rows deeper (covers the spark plugs, unlike the stock intercooler). I don't know offhand if it's wider or has bigger end-tanks, but I would doubt it.

Someone on the board published a list of the part numbers and prices to replicate the GP intercooler setup on an MCS. If I recall correctly, the total was about $550, with the bulk of it being the intercooler at about $300 and the cover at about $200.

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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by riquiscott
Someone on the board published a list of the part numbers and prices to replicate the GP intercooler setup on an MCS. If I recall correctly, the total was about $550, with the bulk of it being the intercooler at about $300 and the cover at about $200.
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Here are the numbers I found listed here on NAM.

IC 17517565302
Cover 17517565345
Screws... 2x 17517511947
underhood air duct 51134404668
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GBMINI
I can't believe you get 15hp from two extra intercooler slats!

Ditto
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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The screw part numbers listed previously are not screws; they are the front brackets. What are needed for mounting hardware are the rear brackets which are longer; sorry I don’t have the numbers for those.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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What's going on here with the quick reply?
 

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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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PeterKostenBerger there are 2 new english words you need to learn: M7 DFIC
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 09:37 PM
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Is that the new acronym for Pressure Drop?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 10:57 PM
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PeterKostenBerger there are 2 new english words you need to learn: M7 DFIC
It was hard enough to learn GP works intercooler!
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GBMINI
I can't believe you get 15hp from two extra intercooler slats!
I will have to be the third doubter on this number as well. It is rather a known fact that a intercooler swap out is a tough test on a dyno as the benefit is very hard to pick up while stationary no matter how big of a fan you can find. To pick up 15 hp would be unusual to say the least. Maby it was 1.5 hp and was misread ? If and this would be a huge IF there was 15 hp to be found with a component that can apparently be bought for $285 it would be a bigger bang for the buck than the 15% pully. Sorry I think it is time for that dyno to have a calibration test if it indeed did show 15 hp.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 10:49 PM
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I will have to be the third doubter on this number as well. It is rather a known fact that a intercooler swap out is a tough test on a dyno as the benefit is very hard to pick up while stationary no matter how big of a fan you can find. To pick up 15 hp would be unusual to say the least. Maby it was 1.5 hp and was misread ? If and this would be a huge IF there was 15 hp to be found with a component that can apparently be bought for $285 it would be a bigger bang for the buck than the 15% pully. Sorry I think it is time for that dyno to have a calibration test if it indeed did show 15 hp.
This was not on a standalone rolling road. I measured via the OBDII board before an after the mod. I also mentioned that this was with my configuration. I don't have more power up to 6.000 rpm but then without the GP-intercooler the air gets so high that I don't get more power out of it.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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Anybody care to comment on the effectiveness of the GP intercooler setup relative to the stock MCS intercooler?
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eMINI
Anybody care to comment on the effectiveness of the GP intercooler setup relative to the stock MCS intercooler?

I know! I feel terrible! i just realized we all got off in a different direction a post back... thats why i mentioned something...

well hows this for getting back on track...

I just ordered one!
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 05:18 PM
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Great You'll let us know about your results, right?
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 05:24 PM
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Great You'll let us know about your results, right?

thats the plan! I will tell you this... if it comes in... and i don't like it... im not putting it on the car

we will see how long it takes parts to get it!
 
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 05:14 AM
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thats the plan! I will tell you this... if it comes in... and i don't like it... im not putting it on the car

we will see how long it takes parts to get it!
When the IC comes in could you post a pic of the interior core?
 
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 06:55 AM
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How about this:

Since the temperature of boosted air entering the intake is directly proportional to power output, and our engines intercoolers are the most inefficient when our cars are either stopped or driving at low speeds, why not force air thru the intercooler via a powered device such as a small, pancake style, fan? The fan could easily be mounted on the intercooler and utilizing a variable speed control device, could help provide the optimum amount of air circulation for peak power during different driving scenarios.

Sounds so simple. Why hasn't anyone done this? Is it a ridiculous concept?
 
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich B.
How about this:

Since the temperature of boosted air entering the intake is directly proportional to power output, and our engines intercoolers are the most inefficient when our cars are either stopped or driving at low speeds, why not force air thru the intercooler via a powered device such as a small, pancake style, fan? The fan could easily be mounted on the intercooler and utilizing a variable speed control device, could help provide the optimum amount of air circulation for peak power during different driving scenarios.

Sounds so simple. Why hasn't anyone done this? Is it a ridiculous concept?

It was discussed a couple times.
The main cons were;
interruption of air flow at higher speeds when the fan wasn't needed.
and clearance for a fan that could flow enough to be effective. Either push or pull design your stuck with ~1 1/4" clearance which will also impact the fans effectiveness.

The other discussed concept was a pull fan mounted remotely with ducting from under the IC to the fan. You could then mount a very high CFM fan but once again under speed natural air flow would be impacted by the fan itself.
 
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