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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 06:48 PM
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I am running the OBX header on the stock cat attached to the M7 pipes and I really like the combo. Sounds great! However, there is no flex joint in the header and it did not come with a donut gasket. I went and got one, installed it, but I did have a heck of a time getting a rattle eliminated... It would buzz from like 2800-3k rpm. I had to install some longer bolts and stronger springs on the flange. Worked like a champ.
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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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just wanted to be clear for others. By the way the obx w/ stock cat is a great combo.
yeh no problem, my post wasn't clear at all

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Old Sep 9, 2006 | 09:38 PM
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on "thermal barrier coating" in your favorite search engine..... You can often find local companies that will do it for you.

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Thanks for the info Here's what I got:
http://www.hpcoatings.com/services/pricelist.aspx

Looks like it would cost about $150-200...
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
can anyone say definitively the gauge of steel used and is the plate stainless?
The OBX is all stainless steel, pipe is 16 gauge, most SS are, whereas the better mild steel headers are 14 Ga., the flange is actually thicker than the OEM flange but I didn't measure that just an observation.
I just installed mine on Sunday, all my bolts fit with no interference with the runners. I had slightly chamfered all bolt holes on outside face of flange.
From past experience this solves the PITA problem of getting the header bolts started when the runners are close.
I had posted pictures of the OBX header before and after cleaning up the ports then having it Jet-Hot coated inside and out.
Installed an OBD2 compliant Magnaflow CAT 2.5" in/out connected to a 2.5 inch Magnaflow CAT back.
This morning I got on it a bit, man is the mid range improved, really woke it up!
Backpressure, who needs backpressure...
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 06:55 AM
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The OBX is all stainless steel, pipe is 16 gauge, most SS are, whereas the better mild steel headers are 14 Ga., the flange is actually thicker than the OEM flange but I didn't measure that just an observation.
I just installed mine on Sunday, all my bolts fit with no interference with the runners. I had slightly chamfered all bolt holes on outside face of flange.
From past experience this solves the PITA problem of getting the header bolts started when the runners are close.
I had posted pictures of the OBX header before and after cleaning up the ports then having it Jet-Hot coated inside and out.
Installed an OBD2 compliant Magnaflow CAT 2.5" in/out connected to a 2.5 inch Magnaflow CAT back.
This morning I got on it a bit, man is the mid range improved, really woke it up!
Backpressure, who needs backpressure...
I'm really between the OBX and Megan Headers because of the price. Has the problems with bolt holes lining up with the OBX been fixed? Or is that more of an indepent problem varying from header to header?

About backpressure, Webb doesn't seem to think it's necessary with his 3" Exhaust which makes more HP AND TQ than any exhaust on the market, both closed AND open valve. Not to mention the future release of a Header with a 3" Downpipe... As for me, I care more about Top End power than Low End so I couldn't care less for backpressure, hehe...
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 06:58 AM
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To make the engine work efficiently while on boost, you do not want any back pressure.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 02///MCS
I'm really between the OBX and Megan Headers because of the price. Has the problems with bolt holes lining up with the OBX been fixed? Or is that more of an indepent problem varying from header to header?

About backpressure, Webb doesn't seem to think it's necessary with his 3" Exhaust which makes more HP AND TQ than any exhaust on the market, both closed AND open valve. Not to mention the future release of a Header with a 3" Downpipe... As for me, I care more about Top End power than Low End so I couldn't care less for backpressure, hehe...
my bolts went in perfectly
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 07:24 AM
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I was just being facetious about the Backpressure bit.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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Why is it so hard to communicate with text?

There is no problem with the flange drilling of the holes, they are spot on.
You can check it with a new OEM header gasket laid up against the flange.
The MINI sure has MINI exhaust ports so the header provides a generous step to prevent reversion.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 07:42 AM
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The MINI sure has MINI exhaust ports so the header provides a generous step to prevent reversion.
I'm not so sure about that. Take a look inside you intake manifold and report back on what you see. Maybe your nod symbol means the opposite of what you wrote. I'm not too up to speed on those characters.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 07:55 AM
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I'm talking about exhaust ports and headers here wasn't that clear?
Why don't you start a new thread if you want to talk about intake ports and report back here. How about that!
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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relax norm, he wasn't being rude....
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by norm03s
I'm talking about exhaust ports and headers here wasn't that clear?
Why don't you start a new thread if you want to talk about intake ports and report back here. How about that!
Sorry, I think you took that the wrong way. No harm intended here. They are related is what I was trying to say. The exhaust actually can travel up past the intake port and into the intake manifold.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 09:02 AM
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Your right of course

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Sorry, I think you took that the wrong way. No harm intended here. They are related is what I was trying to say. The exhaust actually can travel up past the intake port and into the intake manifold.
dmh, Sorry for my snap response.
Yes I know that from first hand experience with carbureted air cooled VW engines.
It would amaze some to know that reversion without a balance port or tube between intake ports depending on crank shaft configuration and Cam shaft overlap will cause a gas cloud up to 4 inches above the top just (remembered it's termed fuel standoff) of a single/2 barrel carb feeding both cylinder banks, or twin single barrel carbs each feeding 2 cylinders each or Dell'Orto/Weber carbs with one Venturi per cylinder.
Also that you want to have a step on the intake, but in this location the intake port must be larger than the intake runner. Reversion pulses pass all the way into the intake manifold. These fundamentals apply to all piston engines regardless of aspiration technique.
So now I'm way off topic.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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my obx is sweet!
 
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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Me too
 
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So...since OBX is cat-less, has anyone run without the cat and what do you do with the post cat O2 sensor? Is it even possible to run without a cat?
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
So...since OBX is cat-less, has anyone run without the cat and what do you do with the post cat O2 sensor? Is it even possible to run without a cat?
you need to do some welding to make a spacer where the cat would go, and you need a flange to get it to bolt up to the stock cat-back. You need something to simulate the load on the rear 02 heater circuit, and something to fool the ECU into thinking that the cat is working.....

But I'd say that going catless is only appropriate for a track car..... And that the thrown code won't change how the car runs....

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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 06:34 AM
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But I'd say that going catless is only appropriate for a track car..... Matt
I agree track is one thing otherwise keep it green!
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 06:42 AM
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I agree track is one thing otherwise keep it green!
Yes...of course of course...I will also obey the speed limit and never waste fuel with lead foot accelerations...of course...
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 12:04 PM
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Misfit,

I saw a Y pipe that allow you to run your cat and at a specific RPM it would open the second exit, without a cat. Call it afterburner in the noise range.

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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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Misfit,

I saw a Y pipe that allow you to run your cat and at a specific RPM it would open the second exit, without a cat. Call it afterburner in the noise range.

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Where? BTW..."Misfit" belongs to another member of NAM...unless you were addressing him...
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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They are called cut-outs. They've been around for a long time; some work on RPM, other pressure, and some have manual switches.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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I was addressing the misfit, not the toy. All the same person. I have to look for the link. I showed it to Peter once. It has been a while. Let me look.


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I was at the Blackhawk auto museum..

they have Clark Gables Duesenburg. It has an exhuast cut out that could be done with a manual lever on the floor of the car. You can't see it during normal tours, but if you go to special events there, you can get close enough to the car to see it, just hangin there, for all (that are close enough) to see!

Cut outs have been around for a long, long, time!

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