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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 05:56 PM
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Alta 17% and Denso IK22's.
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CooperSS
I ran with the stock plugs till about 23000 miles with no problems.

We had seen some detonation on the dyno with the crap gas we have here.

After some discussions with some other NAM members about detonation in CA, I decided to try some colder plugs. I came on a good deal on the IK24s and thought it might help the car. The colder plugs definitely helped the detonation problem and the car seems to run smoother in the upper RPM range.
This is good feedback (for me in particular, since I am also blessed with CA's octane-challenged gas). I wonder whether cooler plugs or a better I/C such as the M7 DFIC would be the ticket?
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 10:23 PM
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i just added the JCW MCS plugs to my 15% equipped car. only because the original plugs were in the car for 3 years now (2 years with pulley) and i figured that they could stand to be changed anyway. i see no real advantage to the colder plugs i now have i just figured a minor tune up with new wires and what not would be cool.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 10:37 PM
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I ran 19% with stock coil, wires, injectors, ECU and plugs with no problems.

Now I have 19% with 8.5mm Kingsborne wires, IK-22 plugs, JCW injectors, GIAC ECU flash and still no problems.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 04:11 AM
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Alta 15 with IK22 installed at same time, torqued to spec. No problems with backing out.

No other ignition mods at this time. Plan on GIAC very soon (unless a "better" ecu upgrade comes out before that time). This morning is my 40k-mile appointment, then I'm going to get the flash done as soon as $$ permit.
 

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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 04:23 AM
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M7 - 16%
IK 24s
 
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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 04:26 AM
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Did anybody switch to NGK's?
 
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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 04:39 AM
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15% with IK22s by reccomendation of Randy Webb of WMS. Both installed @ 2500 miles.
Also have Kingsborne wires.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 04:56 AM
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15%, stock plugs, about 7K miles since the pulley. No driveability issues.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich B.
Did anybody switch to NGK's?
Yep yep
 
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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich B.
Did anybody switch to NGK's?
Yeah, I think I'll try the NGK iridiums when I put in the 19%.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2006 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ej
Got the 15% pulley, CAI, and Denso IK22 installed at the same time.
Same here.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 06:36 AM
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Me too

Originally Posted by shooler
Same here.
Just replaced my oem plugs at 19000+ miles..Put in NGK Iridiums (same heat range) and no issues (smoother idle but that may just be the new plugs)..seems that Iridiums are the wave of the future!

I wonder if the dealer will try anything since they are not the OEM NGK /BMW Plats! I never put more than 20k miles on plugs no matter what they say and for under $30 for 4...why not! (100k on plugs...plz)
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 06:39 AM
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15% + Denso IK22s
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 06:48 AM
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17%, colder NGK's
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Have a 15% pulley and use Denso IK22. Used the stock plugs for two weeks until I could obtain Denso plugs. Did not notice any problems of any kind with the stock plugs. Changed the plugs to cooler range because I live where it is very hot. Didn't want any long term problems.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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!9% pulley, went to NGK BKR7EIX-11's, torqued to 23 ftlbs. Stock: ECU, Coil, Wires, IC. Next Mods will probably be Injectors and ECU.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gizzer777
Just replaced my oem plugs at 19000+ miles..Put in NGK Iridiums (same heat range) and no issues (smoother idle but that may just be the new plugs)..seems that Iridiums are the wave of the future!

I wonder if the dealer will try anything since they are not the OEM NGK /BMW Plats! I never put more than 20k miles on plugs no matter what they say and for under $30 for 4...why not! (100k on plugs...plz) [Emphasis added.]
Ha! That is like the lifetime a/t fluid....
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 12:30 PM
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The colder plugs don't seem to be required...

Based on some of the posts and my own personal experience with a 17% pulley, barring something unusual (like a heat wave), it doesn't seem to be a requirement to swap plugs when only a s/c reduction pulley is installed. If the s/c reduciton pulley is part of a group of mods, there may be a good reason to go colder. One additional mod that could require a colder plug set would seem to be an ECU re-map.

Thanks again to all who have posted their experiences. I really am enjoying my journey into modding my MINI. Taking things one at a time is much more fun than taking the plunge all at once (my Corvette). Next up will be a Dinan CAI and I think a Milltek cat-back.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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I have a 15% pulley and was running a screamin demon coil pack with 9mm wires and berua plugs. I recently switched to denso IK22s that are a colder plug and I think it improved my throtle response.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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I have 17% and NGK one step colder.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 07:33 AM
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17% and IK22's, then went back to stock after a week. Found the stockers performed better.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 07:41 AM
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I had a pretty modified '03. The denso IK-22s went in at 30k.

Sold it at 84,000 miles.

Replaced them every 20K or so.

The car is still running strong.

Put 22s in my new, modifed '06 MCS at 1400 miles. Probably going to 24s soon.

But the reason to do it from my viewpoint isn't so much about slightly better performance (or not), but about running the car in a safer zone, (less chance of detonation, or for that matter, lower performance from timing being pulled back)...
 
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 08:37 AM
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Colder plugs are to avoid pre-detonation (knock/ping). They should enable you to avoid the loss of performance as the ECU retards the ignition to compensate for a pre-detonating engine. I have not had any issues with pre-det. in 50,000+ miles of 15% reduction pulley use. I ran stock plugs for the first 25,000 miles, IK-22's for the next 25,000 and have just switched to the NGK Iridium IX equivalent of the IK-22 (BKR7EIX-11). Extreme temps such as on a racetrack or in the Southwest desert might require the colder plugs, but as for street driving and the occasional auto-x, I think you can get by with stock.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:43 PM
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Helix 15%, IK22 w/ JCW catback, CAI and JCW flash, run smooth as silk.
 
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