Drivetrain Project M7 Hood Louvers!
#26
Originally Posted by Mini-Wingnut
Ok, I understand that these help vent hot air from under the hood but aren't they also going to allow water/rain water to run into your engine compartment? That can't be good...
Randy
M7 Tuning
#27
Originally Posted by maxmini
The later is the only one i worry about as in So Cal there isn't enough rain to worry about but I do wash the car on a average 3 times a week.
#28
Originally Posted by Mini-Wingnut
Very true for So Cal Randy. I guess it would be possible to make some kind of door/shield that would seal from the inside. For lack of a better example, sorta like pet doors, from the inside you can slide a plastic or metal piece that "seals" the door/louvers. That way you could still wash the car without a problem.
Randy
M7 tuning
#29
Originally Posted by maxmini
Were you hanging out at Steve's Auto Clinic sat ? " pet doors " was exactly one of the ideas we were discussing.
#30
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
soooo...what state are you in now Mr Scott? How's the Saturn Sky?
As for the Sky, The suspension is a little softer than the Solstice, love the looks better that the Pontiac. It's a fun car, which drifts very well.....
#33
Nice idea. Personally I'd like to see them placed closer to the center section than what I see posted in the pics.
It's been shown in the past that once you reach 30MPH the underhood temps drop close to ambient( ~ 10-12º over) quite well. I'd like to see before and after with these but I'm also thinking that in a static situation these will help a lot. Since most of the heat is generated closer to the center of the hood moving the vents closer will help more.
I understand how these work and how they will generate a siphon like effect under motion but I also realize the closer they are to the heat source the more effective they will be.
Like an above post mentioned, venting the rear of the center hump will work well. Structural reinforcement would be more critical in this location though.
Just some random thought
It's been shown in the past that once you reach 30MPH the underhood temps drop close to ambient( ~ 10-12º over) quite well. I'd like to see before and after with these but I'm also thinking that in a static situation these will help a lot. Since most of the heat is generated closer to the center of the hood moving the vents closer will help more.
I understand how these work and how they will generate a siphon like effect under motion but I also realize the closer they are to the heat source the more effective they will be.
Like an above post mentioned, venting the rear of the center hump will work well. Structural reinforcement would be more critical in this location though.
Just some random thought
#34
Originally Posted by obehave
Nice idea. Personally I'd like to see them placed closer to the center section than what I see posted in the pics.
It's been shown in the past that once you reach 30MPH the underhood temps drop close to ambient( ~ 10-12º over) quite well. I'd like to see before and after with these but I'm also thinking that in a static situation these will help a lot. Since most of the heat is generated closer to the center of the hood moving the vents closer will help more.
I understand how these work and how they will generate a siphon like effect under motion but I also realize the closer they are to the heat source the more effective they will be.
Like an above post mentioned, venting the rear of the center hump will work well. Structural reinforcement would be more critical in this location though.
Just some random thought
It's been shown in the past that once you reach 30MPH the underhood temps drop close to ambient( ~ 10-12º over) quite well. I'd like to see before and after with these but I'm also thinking that in a static situation these will help a lot. Since most of the heat is generated closer to the center of the hood moving the vents closer will help more.
I understand how these work and how they will generate a siphon like effect under motion but I also realize the closer they are to the heat source the more effective they will be.
Like an above post mentioned, venting the rear of the center hump will work well. Structural reinforcement would be more critical in this location though.
Just some random thought
#35
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
These vents are essentially "universal louvers" (the only one's I've seen that has angled vents to mimic the plan view lines of the Mini) so you can place them just about anywhere you choose, provided the surface will allow. The Canyon car placed them farther apart and rearward than I choose to (notice they went right over the windshield sprayers)...I am placing mine as close to the center hump and directly aft of the DFIC for maximum extraction If you look carefully, I am also reshaping the contour of the louver's stamping to flow better with the Mini's lines and eliminated the first of the vent. The louvers comes pre-drilled for rivets but as I am reducing the foot print, I will use fewer rivets that is shown on the race Mini. It's very flexible in how you choose to apply to your bonnet
The painters tape made it a bit hard to judge on yours.
Need to go look at your pics again.
You're a brave man
Edit;
I think I get it now. What is exposed in your pics will be the final size of the pieces after your modifications. Correct?
#36
#37
I own a 1961 Morgan +4. It has a tiny copper/brass radiator, a large 4 cylinder engine with a reputation for running on the warm side, and 70 louvres on the sides and tops of the bonnets to aid cooling. Conventional wisdom in the Morgan world is that these louvres, as well as those found on the V8 +8s, are of little functional value. If this is correct, then I suspect that you will be underwhelmed by your results (except perhaps when stuck in traffic).
Regarding the esthetics, I might be won over if they were cut into the bonnet rather than being seperate riveted on pieces. A talented body man might be able to fit them flush for you, but this would not be cheap
Regarding the esthetics, I might be won over if they were cut into the bonnet rather than being seperate riveted on pieces. A talented body man might be able to fit them flush for you, but this would not be cheap
#38
Originally Posted by SalemMINIDriver
A talented body man might be able to fit them flush for you, but this would not be cheap
1-remove the hood and all attached items
2-cut off braces to clear the louvering machine
3-louver punch the hood
4-reweld brace
5-prep surfaces for paint
6-repaint
7-remount all items
But then again, I like rivets...they work great on aircrafts/race cars...they make life much simpler
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Several years ago, European Car did something similar to a M3. I prefer the recessed louver look that they did.
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#41
Originally Posted by Bahamabart
Can't you cut the hood the outline of these pieces, drop them flush and have them welded - thereby smoothing out piece?
how much are these things?
how much are these things?
That would involve:
1-remove hood and parts
2-cut brace
3-cut hole and weld panel in/reweld brace
4-surface finish both sides
5-paint prep
6-paint hood
7-remount hood/parts
Besides...I still like rivets
#42
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
That would involve:
1-remove hood and parts
2-cut brace
3-cut hole and weld panel in/reweld brace
4-surface finish both sides
5-paint prep
6-paint hood
7-remount hood/parts
Besides...I still like rivets
1-remove hood and parts
2-cut brace
3-cut hole and weld panel in/reweld brace
4-surface finish both sides
5-paint prep
6-paint hood
7-remount hood/parts
Besides...I still like rivets
Starting to repeat yourself
Oldtimers disease?
Just kidding
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Of course...but I need to start "Project Msfitoy Hood Fund Drive" thread... I'm not sure of the pricing for the louvers...need to check with Peter...
That would involve:
1-remove hood and parts
2-cut brace
3-cut hole and weld panel in/reweld brace
4-surface finish both sides
5-paint prep
6-paint hood
7-remount hood/parts
Besides...I still like rivets
That would involve:
1-remove hood and parts
2-cut brace
3-cut hole and weld panel in/reweld brace
4-surface finish both sides
5-paint prep
6-paint hood
7-remount hood/parts
Besides...I still like rivets
#44
#45
I think one of the biggest benefits to the louvers will be when you are home on the couch having a cold one. The Mini's hold heat for so long after you are done driving that everything bakes for at least a couple of hrs. If any of you have worked on your car you all know how long it takes before you can get in anywhere deep. I think the louvers will assist in helping heat exit once you are stopped . That big curved bonnet just traps everything for a real long time. If I go through with this it will be for the after effects more than any moving performance gains even though with the DIFC I think there will be some of those as well.
Randy
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Randy
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#49
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Not cheap is right...this is what wouldn't mind doing if I had the time and resources:
1-remove the hood and all attached items
2-cut off braces to clear the louvering machine
3-louver punch the hood
4-reweld brace
5-prep surfaces for paint
6-repaint
7-remount all items
1-remove the hood and all attached items
2-cut off braces to clear the louvering machine
3-louver punch the hood
4-reweld brace
5-prep surfaces for paint
6-repaint
7-remount all items
http://www.lowbucktools.com/louver.html
you could do it right in your brand new garage.
#50
Originally Posted by sandtoast500
What about just re-routing the plastic at the back of the engine compartment to the vents on the top of the hood?
You could half-*** louvre the plastic so rain and water would not go in, but heat could come out. You could even mold a new full plastic piece and sell it as an upgrade!
You could half-*** louvre the plastic so rain and water would not go in, but heat could come out. You could even mold a new full plastic piece and sell it as an upgrade!
Randy
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