>>>>
>>I do think that with this package, at the very least you would want to change the pad compound and fluid.
>>
>>Randy

WHat in the world is pad compound and fluid? Please excuse my ignorance!

 

I'm betting that the head will provide a big payoff. During a conversation with a friend he mentioned that swapping the head provided a lot of power.

His father works with BMW in Germany, but it wasn't clear to me if this was an insight picked up second-hand from BMW or just speculation on his part, so I haven't brought it up before.

Either way, it's going to be a fun Spring

Jeff

 

>>>>>>
>>>>I do think that with this package, at the very least you would want to change the pad compound and fluid.
>>>>
>>>>Randy
>>
>>WHat in the world is pad compound and fluid? Please excuse my ignorance!
>>

No problemo!

The brake pads and the brake fluid, to help out with the extra power. The brakes on the MINI are adequate as is, so putting in the power, I would hope MINI would provide a little more stop to handle the extra go.

Randy

 

THanks Randy!

 

Randy- Is it possible that we're only seeing claims of 200hp because while the stated goal of 200hp is all cool, because that's what everyone is talking about, the real selling point may be increased off the line oomph and more mid-range go.

 

Uhh... the stock brakes are powerful enough to activate the anti-lock system. No amount of brake fluid is going to shorten the stopping distance beyond that.

 

>>>>>>Cool !
>>>>>>
>>
>>Actually, they look quite different, the orientation of the mufflers is not the same.
>>
>>


I was thinking it looked alot like my Magnaflow with the slight exception of the tips the rest of it could pass for the same system.

 

>>Uhh... the stock brakes are powerful enough to activate the anti-lock system. No amount of brake fluid is going to shorten the stopping distance beyond that.

vespa,

Take your MC/MCS out to a track or other safe place and try this:
1) Accelerate to 100mph
2) Apply full brakes - hard - down to about 30mph
3) Repeat 1) & 2) about five or six times

You will find that not only will the brakes no longer activate the ABS, stopping distances will get significantly longer and possibly downright scary.

On second thought, don't do this experiment; you might find yourself headed to the dealer for replacement of warped brake rotors and smoked pads!

Randy's suggestion for better pads and brake fluid will help the system handle the extreme heat of performance driving (presumably what that 200+ HP upgrade is going to be used for) and preserve stopping distances over repeated use.

Cheers,

James

 

>> I would hope MINI would provide a little more stop to handle the extra go.

I likey that idea

 

Well in the dry my ABS does NOT activate the ABS when stamping on the pedal..

Not sure if it is because of the sticker Toyos I have fitted or something, activates in the wet fine.

As I found out when taking my Hartge tuned car on the track the brakes need uprating, as Randy says after a few laps I had to come into the pits to cool the car down. I'm planning Mintex pads, braided hoses and decent fluid.

I was planning a big brake conversion but the stock brakes with a little work would be more than suffiecent IMO, the performed better on the track than I expected.

 

In my VW track experience, Mintex don't work much better than stock. I had smoke pouring off all 4 wheels every time I went into the pits. Get Porterfield or some other racing-specific pads with high quality fluid and bleed, bleed, bleed!

 

>>Uhh... the stock brakes are powerful enough to activate the anti-lock system. No amount of brake fluid is going to shorten the stopping distance beyond that.

vespa,

As the others have stated, the stock brakes are great until they fade from heat - a condition which can be helped from higher temp brake fluid and a different pad compound.

katnkevin,

The Magnalfow is remarkably similar except for the Y instead of the T. It has the resonator off the cat, and the entrance and exit from the muffler is the same as well. I bet they had one to compare when they built this system...

Randy

 

In regards to the JCW upgrade: for those of us that have already done exhaust and intake mods, does anyone think that one would be able to buy the JCW parts independently? Another question, is it a different supercharger or just pulley?

 

>>$2500??? Is that installed by the dealer?? If so this is way lower than the rumors that have been circling that it would be in the 5k range...
>>
>>Can you talk to the dealer and get complete details please...I'd truly appreciate it.

I am going to the dealer (snow permitting) in the next 24 hours and will get a more complete answer on the upgrade. It does seem to be low compared to what everyone else on here has been saying. I am hoping its true and didn't jinx anything. ).

Tom

 

Spoke to my dealer and he claims no detailed knowledge of anything. :evil:

They said to wait until end of March at the earliest.

 

Spoke to my dealer today and the latest is -- according to what he has been told -- The JCW package is going to be a "port installed option", not installed at the dealer, and will be limited to 500 for the 2003 model year. Approximately 2 per dealer on ordered cars only. Price is $7500, which you can roll into your loan, etc. etc.
I swear I'm not making this up. MAG MINI in Dublin, Ohio is the dealer.

Bluesmaster

 

I was at my dealer this morning and the only word is "it will be announced at the NY Auto Show", (I thought it was going to be Geneva). The sales rep I spoke to is usually a reliable source, he ows a S too and wants more power as badly as we do, we were both hoping for a LSD to be part of the package if it was as expensive as rumored. I'm on his "first call" list, so as soon as he knows something soilid, so will I.

X2

 

Heya Blues,
That is just incredibly...insane!!!!!
$7,500 dollars and a limited dispersement ta boot.

1/3 the price of the car to add 37HP
$202 dollars a Hooooorse

I'll stay w/ my air-intake, QS exhaust (once tha dam thing actually get s here), tires, wheels, sway bar ( which hopefully will be in tomorrow) and ..if I get brave a ECU upgrade.............:smile:

Peace,
D

 

>>
>>I'll stay w/ my air-intake, QS exhaust (once tha dam thing actually get s here), tires, wheels, sway bar ( which hopefully will be in tomorrow) and ..if I get brave a ECU upgrade.............:smile:
>>

No d-mini-ero - if you REALLY get brave, you must get the SUPERCHARGER PULLEY!

 

Oh yeah! If Randy can make 230hp and beat JCW price I'll go with him.

Randy, do you know if Dinan is going to play with the Mini?
I love company competitions, that's when the prices drop.

 

greatgro,
ur correct :smile:
the pulley does seem to be ...."all that" :smile:
looking at it...again
adding both the ecu & the pulley would surely elevate one to "braveheart" status ....:smile:

now where is my blue paint ????

peace,
d

 

although i dont think this adds much....it might just confirm its existance....


HERE

 

>>Oh yeah! If Randy can make 230hp and beat JCW price I'll go with him.
>>
>>Randy, do you know if Dinan is going to play with the Mini?
>>I love company competitions, that's when the prices drop.

Dinan is/was working on stuff for the MINI - just a research stage was the last I heard, to analyze the car and determine if they wanted to market products for the car, they had some parts installed on a MINI from one of their employees but I haven't heard anything past this. They might down the road start selling these, but I actually doubt it....and even if they do...it won't be cheaper then the JCW for similar numbers.

 

hey,

i was reading the thread on Mini2 ( http://www.mini2.com/news/news.php?id=157 ) and it talks about the JCW kit. it shows pic of the kit w/ upgraded seats, factory aero kit, and 18 inch rims (ugly design, 18 inch S-lite r85s would be way cooler). so, i was wonderin if the 5000 price includes those items. becuase 18 inch rims, racing seats, and aero kit are very expensive items.. aero kit alone dealer installed is about 2500.

also, u guys r right about the 200 hp mark. 200 hp is not that much of a difference. even on the Mini2 site it says it increaes 0-60 from 6.9 to 6.7, wow... .2 of a second?!?! 230 from Randy would be a lot more, but.... warranty is a big issue and 230 hp is gonna cost a lot of money.

here are the items i was wonderin about from the Mini2 page.

18 inch rims and aero kit



sport seats


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Let's Motor

 

I now have official information regarding the peformance upgrade package that I was told of and offered by Mini of Sterling. They also confirmed that the price of the Cooper Works package when it became available would be in the $5,000+ range

The package is NOT the Cooper Works package being discussed on this thread as I originally thought. What the package does consist of is a reprogrammed ECU, cold air intake and Borla stainless steel exhaust. The package adds $2,500 to a Cooper S and claims a 30 HP addition.

The upgrade is covered under Mini warranty.

Does anyone have any thoughts about the level of improvement one could expect from these upgrades?

Btw, I am on the clock. I placed my order for an Indi Blue MCS/White w/premium and sport packages.