mine took 45 min. the hose was a PITA though, no longer have it tho

 

Well, apparently I don't need the damn hose clamps for the vacuum tube... that's what took about 45 min of my time, trying to get the damn thing on the ALTA vacuum hose, that and trimming it down to fit (which it never did)

However, my MPG is better than ever. I have a 16% pulley, Nology HotWires, Denso IK-22s, MSD coil pack, and Alta Intake... On my way home, I averaged 41.2mpg in just under 10 miles, all hills, several stops, and speeds from 25 to 65. Albeit, I was being gentle on the pedal, but I could do that every day if I wanted to.

I'll have to get someone to video from the inside and see if everyone else's car sounds like mine... I do and don't like the sound. A little more raspy than I like, but I do like the whine above 4000rpm. I wonder what it sounds like form the outside. I really like the way the M7 car sounded in the movie clips with the AGS.

 

If its that whistle sound it will go away soon, and you get it for the first few hundred after cleaning the filter. The silicone isn't a perfect fit but mine was a really good. Sounds like you could have picked a little better time to do the instal, I didn't think it was that bad but I had the How-tos memorized before I opened the bonnet that day so I had agood idea what to expect and was all done in 45 min. Anyway glad to hear your back motoring and that sound will go away just a matter of time.

 

You mean this sound ? Only one way to get it

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...icture_604.avi
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...icture_588.avi

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

I know it is hard to get a hold of us in the middle of the night, and i know what it is like to be frustrated and you can't do anything about it. For that i am sorry you had some issues.

Regarding the Silicone hose.
The end of the hose is purposely cut the way it is. Because of the space avilible, the end it mitered to fit the TB. The best way to install the hose is install it to the TB(making sure it is rotated to fit the air box) tighten clamp, then fold back silicone hose to install that fresh air tube into the box. Fold it back and clamp to box.

This is all info in the instructions. I don't see how people think our instructions are not that good. What we do with all instructions, is change and/or add info, as customers call and ask us questions about it. For instance, 2 years ago, we didn't explain how to get the fresh air tube into the car very well. We got lots of calls about how to do that. We changed them to explain how to better fit the tube under the silicone hose, and it solved all the problems. The only thing the that Web instructions do better is have a few extra pictures. Our instructions contain the pictures necessary to explain the difficult areas.

But if there is anything that can be worded better, or described better, please let us know. Coming to the forums to complain normaly doesn't help, a phone call always does.

 

Yah,
All intakes that remove the shroud at the firewall sound just like that. The SC makes the same sound all the time. Its just our intake allows that sound to be heard in and out side the car. Where the stock air box is designed to be very quiet. With the large ID hose coming from the Thottle body, open element filter, and missing firewall shroud, that same sound from the video above is heard.

 

MMMMMM not even close The " scream " is from the much shorter and more open tube between the supercharger inlet and the throttlebody. You can see from the photos below what I am talking about. The sound you are hearing is the actual supercharger blades nto air entering a filter. I will have the car from the video at AMVIV if you would like to compare.

Stock intake Sc tube installed



AGS tube installed




Randy M7 Tuning

 

now now u two... don't get into a fiddle with ur opinions of ur own product.

What was ever the results of the AGS vs. Alta test?

Mikey

 

Randy is right tho, the M7 AGS is waaay louder than the Alta......apart from the fact that the sc inlet plenum isn't squashed, the air intake is bolted directly onto the throttle body..

M7 AGS vs Alta vs Pilo.....
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=49826

 

after reading that i do understand the flaw with the test, however, i'm struggling to see the difference in performance between the Alta and the AGS. From the looks of it the Alta is a heck of a lot easier to install.

So here's my question on that:
For a driver who
a) is dying to get a CAI
b) primarily drives street (maybe 1 or 2 amateur races)
c) doesn't have the know-how to dismantle and reassemble an engine

why would I choose one over the other? would there really be a huge benefit in getting the AGS over the Alta for that small bit of extra torque?

 

All great questions and I could perhaps give you my input. With the way you describe your situation I would say go for the Alta. It doesn't sound like you are looking to maximize your performance which is fine , many are not. If you were thinking of perhaps a improved throttle body , header , pulley and maybe even head work then I would have to push for our product. If you would not enjoy the " thrill and excitement " of taking your front bumper off that is another reason to go Alta as that product is for the most part a easy install. Well maybe not always as this thread brings up a few minor issues but overall a much easier job. The test was done on a car which was bone stock which it sounds to me like you might closer to than a modded car. As with the test you would not notice the " huge benefit " you were referring to. Now throttle responce that is a different matter all together For you my vote is for the Alta.

Randy
M7 tuning

 

I'm doing my install this weekend. I need more growl... Uggg, I have a feeling a pulley is going to be next :(

 

Gee, I wonder where all the M7 bashers are, now that you've fairly reccomended another vendors product to a potential customer. Funny, but I find the silence deafaning! Kudos to you.

Matt

 

See they are not as horrible as everyone makes them out to be.

 

The bashers?

I buy from almost everyone... M7 too!

Matt

 

I do agree with M7 as to which intake you should buy.

But Maximum performance?? We have many customer dyno results, spanning 3 different dynos showing gains of 10-12 WHP on a stock car. We have ones showing gains on a 15% car, and a 19% car which both show roughly 15WHP gains. There were other tests done that showed our intake made more HP over the AGS. Only one showing different. But if we are disregarding all other tests, except for the one done by Team Mighty Miniz, then yes the AGS made more. But not much. Just like the other test done, where the ALTA came out ahead, it didn't come out ahead by much. With in reason, both intakes make about the same gains in HP.

I haven't heard an AGS, but i have heard all other intakes, and they all allow you to hear the SC wine,(same sound as in the video) which is produced by the SC blades. The wine sound isn't from air sucking past the filter. I would agree that he AGS should be louder outside the car because the filter isn't in a box.

By no means, am i trying to be argumentative, but more or less stating facts. Please don't take what i am saying as being angry at all, as true emotions are not something that come out well in email.

With that said, i don't think there are people that are unhappy with the performance of the ALTA, or the AGS. Since both make similar WHP, and since it is a noticable amount, all customers will be happy.

 

I think this was a great letter and no way did it come off as you being angry. I think neither of our companies have any reason to be " angry " at all . With the mini market there are enough different types of buyers for both of us to be able to be very successful. We are really going after two different markets. We will never sell as many AGS for example as the your CAI and we never intended to. As I mentioned earlier we are looking for the owner that wants to maximize his performance and feels that the extra effort or cost to have the very best is worth it .

You point out that the Dyno numbers have given many different results and maybe here is another difference in our companies approaches. So many people lately are living and dying by dyno numbers that they are closing off their own ability to reason and interpret what they see with their own eyes . I would think that anyone looking at the photos below would see that our AGS tube is significantly shorter , larger in diameter and provides a MUCH improved air path. Additionally the opening of the throttle body is facing directley towards the super charger not in such a bad position as the stock unit which forces the air to take a immediate hard turn after passing the exit of the TB.The AGS also relies on motion to supply fresh air and purge the containment area of the filter. A fan just isn't going to cut it.

Lets make it real simple . If you had a motor that required the most air it could get would you want the source of air to be about 12 inches from the Super charger intake or over 30? Not only does this supply air quicker and easier when needed there is another immeasurable performance bonus, throttle response. One of the most disappointing things about the mini in my opinion was the fly by wire and the inherent lag. I have been doing everything i could to get rid of that with my personal car and the AGS as has been reported by many certainly makes for an improvement in that area.

Oh yes the one other bonus to some maybe not to all is the sound. Heck this is what started off this entire dialog isn't it ? The sound is unique and perhaps too much for some. If you are into stealth forget about it . You mentioned that you have never heard a AGS in person. We will be at AMVIV again this year and would love to give you a demo. As I am sure you know this will be the largest get together of Mini's on the west coast and I know you would hate to miss a opportunity to come out and support your many customers.

The bottom line is the AGS is not dyno friendly , it was created to be driving friendly. Maybe I could list another reason NOT to by the AGS. If you receive the majority of your mini experience pleasure from dyno numbers do NOT by the AGS. I know this will all start up again when the V-3 is released shortly but that is part of the fun.Hope to meet with you soon. I think you have a great product line and you have no idea how many of your CAI's have been sold at Steve's Auto Clinic from my recommendation I have even had your intercooler diverter on my car for over a year and will only be taking it off next week because it will not work on our new IC. Keep in touch , we can both learn something.

Randy
M7 Tuning

stock


AGS v-2


Do you really need a dyno to show you that this stock intake tube



will not flow as well as the AGS?




By the way that big open hole at the back is actually where the throttle body mounts which provides a nice straight shot into the super charger. This is the key to the system and any other CAI on the market has to go thru the stock tube which we feel is not the way to MAXIMIZE your performance

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

hate seeing two different vendors arguing. Seeing two get along, that was a rare sight! I have lots of ALTA stuff, and would buy some M7 stuff if it was not so expensive to send over to aus....16% pulley would be first on the list....

incidentally randy, how much would it cost to ship a 16% pulley over to me in melbourne, victoria, australia?

 

If this was related to my previous post, I didn't feel that ALTA offered an inadequate instructions just that the different word and more photos and angles of seing the project were benifical so between the two before ever looking under the hood I knew exactly what I was doing. And again I am thrilled with the intake and was actually suprised to see a complaint about the install. though I do think the act of dismantling such a critical component increases the anxiety a little and I most certainly wanted to make sure everything was perfect before I even turned the engine over so if someone encoutered an issue I can easily see how I might feel mislead by everyone saying how easy an install it is, when not all of us have a shop and a backup car but do have good automotive know how.

 

Im having the same problem. It doesn't seem to be at all close. Did I get a bad hose or are they all like this? I got it all to fit right, but there's almost a crease from contorting the hose, and it seems like there'a not a tight seal on the throttle body. I might just remove the heat shield so it fits better... too bad.

 

I also had the same problem with mine. It took me like 10 hours to put the stupid thing on because I was trying to figure out what was wrong with it and then drove an hour and a half to JSC to get a new one and an hour and a half back home. My silicone wasnt cut on an angle to match the throttle body and it was too short. The replacement didnt even fit that well, but it works. I've been considering ditching it anyway and getting the Samco.

 

Yes the Samco tube is a way better fit! None of the Alta tube ever really fit all that great.

 

I almost feel like asking for a refund, but dont want to go through the hassle.

@SlowGSX98 - did you feel like you at least had a secure fit after you exchanged the hose?