what mods do i need to get 200 whp,without taking the head off or tearing the engine down thanks

 

15% or + Pulley, Intake (ALTA), Injectors, Software... See Sig... 200+ HP...

 

200 WHP, d00d. It's never been done [around here] without nitrous, headwork, or a turbo. Check for JCampos's threads. He had everything known in this market, practically, and no 200 whp. . Unless you have some amazingly zealous factory breed, it's essentially impossible.

 

Sell your Mini and get an actually fast car.

 

Get a turbo. Bonus: you get 250 whp and a crapload of torque. :smile:

http://www.helix13.com/html/products...ew.php?p=6&h=m

 

My bad I didnt see it as WHP, I was thinking Raw HP at the crank....... sorry, my bad...

 

I agree with Andy.........this is the cheapest way to get the most WHP.......look at my signature......I speak with/from experience. You have several very good guys to choose from to do the work. I have not experienced the turbo but I trust the guys who have and I have experienced my saga. Don't get me wrong, I like my car and it runs very good but 200 whp is a very hard peak without nitrous or turbo/twin.

 

spiderX how much whp you get with all those mods.

 

i am 200whp easy.....i ran a 175whp without my WAIC, 380cc injectors and the TB.....i was running the MM header...MM 19% pulley.....borla race exhaust....MM intake and cowl mod....Schrick cam.....and dinan stage 5 software....

BATES

 

Id like to know this as well.

 

Now if this were in a Cooper with out Super charger I would be quite interested!

 

twin-screw.

 

Is it really that hard to achieve? I ran 193 whp last year on a DynoJet (unless that read abnormally high...then so was everyone else's Mini that day). And that was before the WMS head/valve/cam/62mm TB/Unichip/light FW/methanol injection was installed...I would think that I'm past that point...no? And that's before I feed baby some juice...you don't need a dyno to know that the nitrous pushes her way over 200whp...just ask the GTO driver in my mirror :smile:

 

I'm sorry I'm so late with this....... I just remembered to get back to the thread.

last go it was 214.4 whp uncorrected and drive line, altitude and atmosphere corrected at 241.1 at the crank. In the next two weeks a new high output exhaust (see Randy Webb's post on "what's new") and the intake manifold as well as another custom tune on the UNichip. Randy says that he does not want to post the numbers on the exhaust because no one will believe it........you gotta love a guy like that. I thought this exhaust was a big secret but then I was told on Sunday on the Mini get together to Chattanooga that he has posted it. I looked and sure enough he has. I will not be the source of performance info since the unit is still in "beta" , any announcements on the performance will have to come from Randy. I will however support him after the official numbers are posted. I will tell you this I am very excited to be involved. Most of my car is WMS stuff so this is really cool

Before the Dragon in May I am planning a trip to Philly to see Eric for a Quaife, clutch and flywheel.

btw, on the way home tonight from the book store I was grinning ear to ear. The weather has cooled off and the car is running amazingly well. I can't get over how much pleasure I get from this little car. Driving it, posting and reading, selecting parts, hanging out with MINI folks. I feel bad for the people who just don't get it........nah not really

 

So, I had my first "dyno" today--geez, get me some water, please! Lots of mods, not all engine related, but all from Webb MS, and still only 178.5 WHP! This on a 2005 that's about the best "baseline" from which to start. I'd say that either something's wrong with my tuning, or it's pretty hard to get 200HP at the wheels!

Two other guys got their MCSs dyno'd at the same time: an 04 with fewer mods got 2 HP lower than mine and an 03 with JCW got 14HP lower.
Just 3 more data points...

cheers,
phil

 

welcome to my world ...... I don't know your mods but it takes a lot to get to 200 whp. Ask Eric at Helix or Randy at WMS..... I'm not saying that there is a lot of BS here but methods and dynos seem to be different.......your results may very....don't try this at home.....etc....etc:impatient

 

Perhaps it got lost in translation but I was corresponding w/ Volker of MTH
and inquired what he thought my car would produce based on mods and a file from him.

"Should be somewhere in the region of 230 - 235 bhp."

I took his figures minus 11% and came up with 204.7 - 209.15 for at the wheel figures.

 

I don't think you're misrepresenting at all, I would expect him to say the same, but I highly doubt that that will prove true. It's just contrary to everything seen these past few years on NAM. If you can dyno the car, then maybe we'll understand this better, but until then that just sounds like inflated numbers.

 

I don't know if you've been following the M7 car but it runs MTH software and has twice the mods that you do and barely made 200. I think you are going to be disappointed when you dyno that car.

 

With my mods below I was at 194-196WHP on the Dyno which equates to 217-221 Crank HP depending on your adjusted numbers. I am sure a Downpipe/header would help, but shy of breaking into the motor for cams and PP, or a twinscrew or turbo setup, there isnt much more we could get out of our 1.6 liter engines...

 

This seems like a "corrected" number for the amount of mods. PLease be aware that different dyno oerators use diffrent "factors." I caught one guy using a 25% driveline number for example because he did not know any better....that is what his dyno operator factored in.

The M7 car barely getting to 200 is very real.

 

We've seen enormous variance on supposedly equivalent mods. I'm pretty lucky with my car and seem to have a fairly "hot" car out of the factory. I just have a 15% pulley, Alta Intake (with the back of the airbox removed), Magnaflow Exhaust and MTH s/w. Running on crappy CA 91 octane the best I could get to was 183 WHP (SAE), running 100 octane gas with an updated map from MTH I hit 191 WHP.

We've also had JCW cars struggle to make 170 WHP. And we have a couple of cars with cams and ported/polished everything hitting close to 220 (one had 3 straight pulls at 218 with no s/w, just using an a/f controller (APEX-II) and running 100 octane gas).

Bottom line is that 200 WHP is possible without an extra power-adder (read Turbo or Nitrous), but you need deep pockets and luck (i.e. a good baseline car to work from). Adding another power adder is the cheapest and quickest way to get extra power, but there is a price to pay in reliability (heat dissipation is a problem for the twincharged cars, and Nitrous has caused a lot of piston damage with sudden lean conditions).

BTW: before anyone starts shrieking about BS numbers, this wide range of numbers were all seen on the same dyno on the same day, and the difference definitely bears out driving the cars too.

There are lots of theories on why some cars just pull harder than others out of the factory, I've long since given up trying to understand it.

Good luck,

Maddog

 

What he said

 

Gulp! I have 1 last mod to go (MTH) and then I wanted to Dyno the car for kicks and share the results with NAM memebers. At then end of the day the charts are not very important to me but my daily driving experience which by the way I am very happy w/ what the mods have done in this respect.

I don't understand MTH (not picking on MTH) in this regard. So what would be a realistic HP goal with a car such as mine?

When I do Dyno the car are there things I need to be telling the technition in order to get the most acturate picture? My other question is - does it make more sense for me to dyno now and send the info to MTH ? or once done? AND don't say both unless a check is in the mail.

 

200+ WHP involves lots of money .