Drivetrain Blew UP!
Originally Posted by Tuls
what do you mean with the Mini...it's a motor...come on!!...the mini is NO different...anywho...you just need a [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Compression Tester....Google it
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3I googled Compression Tester, and I saw you can buy one for as little as $25 and for as much as $200.00 but didn't see anything as far as a "how-to" to do a compression test.
Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
I didn't mean that the MINI is different, just that I don't even know what's involved to do this and something might need to get done due to the MINI's engine configuration (supercharger, intercooler location, etc). :smile: Does the engine get removed? Does the head come off? Do I turn the crank to compress a piston in it's cylinder? Etc?
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I googled Compression Tester, and I saw you can buy one for as little as $25 and for as much as $200.00 but didn't see anything as far as a "how-to" to do a compression test.
3I googled Compression Tester, and I saw you can buy one for as little as $25 and for as much as $200.00 but didn't see anything as far as a "how-to" to do a compression test.

Originally Posted by Tuls
I know Dom I am just givning you a hard time...that's a friends Job...

Back to the compression test I received this in a PM.

Compression test is easy.
1) Get compression tester - I've had my Sears model for 20+ years. Pretty cheap, too.
2) Take out spark plugs
3) Screw adapter into spark plug hole
4) Disconnect coil to avoid errant sparks or starting the engine!
5) With Wide Open Throttle* (WOT) turn key/engine three or four seconds (with a friend hitting the key you can watch the compression build)
6) Check reading
7) Do next cylinder
Pressures should be within 10% of each other. Not sure what the spec is for a MINI, but other cars range between 140 and 190, IIRC.
*I'm not sure how to get WOT with the electronic throttle - you may have to do it by hand vs. gas pedal to the floor. OTOH, as long as the key is on, the drive by wire should still work.
1) Get compression tester - I've had my Sears model for 20+ years. Pretty cheap, too.
2) Take out spark plugs
3) Screw adapter into spark plug hole
4) Disconnect coil to avoid errant sparks or starting the engine!
5) With Wide Open Throttle* (WOT) turn key/engine three or four seconds (with a friend hitting the key you can watch the compression build)
6) Check reading
7) Do next cylinder
Pressures should be within 10% of each other. Not sure what the spec is for a MINI, but other cars range between 140 and 190, IIRC.
*I'm not sure how to get WOT with the electronic throttle - you may have to do it by hand vs. gas pedal to the floor. OTOH, as long as the key is on, the drive by wire should still work.
Question on Step 5... Could I remove the intercooler (to gain access to plug #2,#3.#4 since I have the large ALTA which covers all by plug #1) to simulate the WOT type of scenario? Basically you're just allowing air to flow into each cylinder by having WOT, so wouldn't removing the intercooler do the same thing?
if any of you tyros wnat to know what it takes to build the bottom end to the max:
I provided Endyn with a rough block and crank, paid $3,300 and got:
new forged pistons and custom rings ($620), custom Crower rods and ARP bolts ($715), line bored mains, bored and honed block, decked block, new, modified oil pump, new main and thrust bearings and seals, balanced crank, full assembly. the labor potion was $1,400, the custom parts were: 1,335 and the remainder was std mini parts (bearings, seals, oil pump).
I provided Endyn with a rough block and crank, paid $3,300 and got:
new forged pistons and custom rings ($620), custom Crower rods and ARP bolts ($715), line bored mains, bored and honed block, decked block, new, modified oil pump, new main and thrust bearings and seals, balanced crank, full assembly. the labor potion was $1,400, the custom parts were: 1,335 and the remainder was std mini parts (bearings, seals, oil pump).
.....daaammn!!
any pix yet?
any pix yet?
Originally Posted by spillman
Pics of pistons coming today guys. I just have to find my camera. One piston was completely gone and another one was past the point of no return.
Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
Question on Step 2... Do I take out all four plugs at once and only plug up just one of them in step 3? Or am I leaving in the plugs in each cylinder until I'm ready to pressure test it?
Question on Step 5... Could I remove the intercooler (to gain access to plug #2,#3.#4 since I have the large ALTA which covers all by plug #1) to simulate the WOT type of scenario? Basically you're just allowing air to flow into each cylinder by having WOT, so wouldn't removing the intercooler do the same thing?
Question on Step 5... Could I remove the intercooler (to gain access to plug #2,#3.#4 since I have the large ALTA which covers all by plug #1) to simulate the WOT type of scenario? Basically you're just allowing air to flow into each cylinder by having WOT, so wouldn't removing the intercooler do the same thing?
Q2 - You can do either. I usually remove all the plugs first. If you leave them in, make SURE you disable the coil(s?) - don't want that puppy to start.
Q5 - Yes, I suppose removing the IC would open up the intake path nicely, eliminating the need for WOT.:smile:
Q5 - Yes, I suppose removing the IC would open up the intake path nicely, eliminating the need for WOT.:smile:
If I crank it over with the key with the spark plugs unplugged, will the ECU throw any codes?
Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
Did my check last night.
Cyl 1: 135
Cyl 2: 145
Cyl 3: 150
Cyl 4: 100
Cyl 1: 135
Cyl 2: 145
Cyl 3: 150
Cyl 4: 100
It's amazing what a hurt motor can do.
Turns out my first 5 liter (from a rolled CHP car with 12k on the odo), had been screwed up by the salvager, and I had pitted walls on three cylenders (from water sitting in there and rusting away) screwed up the rings on one piston too. Been that way since I got it (but what do you expect for 2.5k for a complete motor and 5-speed with harness and computer). Still did donuts all day long, and just burnt a bit of oil.
And what an excuse to spend! I upped the ante with 300+ crank HP, (Al heads, cam, headers and ECU work). 75+ more HP sure is fun! Now you get to do the same.
Word of advice. Don't add up the receipts!
Matt
And what an excuse to spend! I upped the ante with 300+ crank HP, (Al heads, cam, headers and ECU work). 75+ more HP sure is fun! Now you get to do the same.
Word of advice. Don't add up the receipts!
Matt
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Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
Did my check last night.
Cyl 1: 135
Cyl 2: 145
Cyl 3: 150
Cyl 4: 100
Cyl 1: 135
Cyl 2: 145
Cyl 3: 150
Cyl 4: 100
Have a leak down test done, listen with a peice of hose at the throttle body/intercooler exit duct (if have the intercooler off) and tail pipe for pressure getting past the valves. How many miles on engine? Why did you suspect you had lost compression, ever had a serious mis-shift up or down.
You may want to read these
Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
Did my check last night.
Cyl 1: 135
Cyl 2: 145
Cyl 3: 150
Cyl 4: 100
Cyl 1: 135
Cyl 2: 145
Cyl 3: 150
Cyl 4: 100

http://www.type2.com/library/engineg/leaktst.htm
http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml
http://www.650motorcycles.com/LeakDownTester.html
Originally Posted by ingsoc
Is that variance [50% from cyl 3 to 4!!] OK???? Dominic, what are your mods right now? I sure hope your engine is alright.
Originally Posted by norm03s
Was your engine cold? Did you do a dry test then a wet test to determine if cylinder or valves are losing compression?
Have a leak down test done, listen with a peice of hose at the throttle body/intercooler exit duct (if have the intercooler off) and tail pipe for pressure getting past the valves. How many miles on engine? Why did you suspect you had lost compression, ever had a serious mis-shift up or down.
Have a leak down test done, listen with a peice of hose at the throttle body/intercooler exit duct (if have the intercooler off) and tail pipe for pressure getting past the valves. How many miles on engine? Why did you suspect you had lost compression, ever had a serious mis-shift up or down.
I'm running tons of boost I've seen as high as 26psi (twin-charged). I suspect either this problem with the comression was caused by the boost, or I may have had it prior to getting the mods. Knowing what I know now, I should have had my mechanic do a compression check prior to build-up. That way we would have known. Hind sight is 20/20...
Squirt a little oil through the sparkplug hole (wet test) before performing the pressure test to help seal the rings, compare readings with the no oil treatment, if you are still leaking then poor valve sealing is probably the culprit.
Spillman, how is your car running now? Whats your bottom end setup and other mods? How do you like it, etc? Please give full review...
Anyone else out there with forged pistons, rods, etc? Any interesting stories?
Update
The rebuild took a bit of time to complete but it is back on the road. I wasn't able to source the parts for the stroker kit so I am using the stock rods and crankshaft.
As for the pistons I am using the CP Pistons that are used in the MINI USA drag car. I am using arp rod bolts and I converted to arp head studs.
Other than my head I have basically the same internalls as the MINI USA drag car. And I believe they have pulled around 500whp on this setup. Don't qoute me on that though.
The mechanic who assebled my motor commented on the offset of pin that connects the rod to the piston. He told me that where the offset was on the factory pistons was designed to give a more low end torque setup. The CP pistons are not offset and the pin is directly in the center.
This, combined with the switch from the Megan racing header to the OBX, has certainly added a noticeable increase in midrange torque and upper rpm HP. That is just from the but dyno how ever. I hope to have it on the dyno soon to dial in my afc.
I also installed delron motor mounts. Talk about making a MINI feel like a race car, or atleast sound like one. It sounds like a hellicopter hovering on your hood. And everything in the car shakes. It would probably not be so bad in a full interior car.
Also I removed the battery box and installed a braille battery underneath the hood beside the ABS box. And now the exhaust is ran straight back. The removal of that bend deffinately added a lot of decibles. I cannot even hear the supercharger from inside the car.
I will post picture of the pistons, exhaust, an battery box. I promise I will this time. Didn't get around to it last time.
Also such a successfull rebuild would not have been possilbe with out help from the devil. Thanks Jan!
As for the pistons I am using the CP Pistons that are used in the MINI USA drag car. I am using arp rod bolts and I converted to arp head studs.
Other than my head I have basically the same internalls as the MINI USA drag car. And I believe they have pulled around 500whp on this setup. Don't qoute me on that though.
The mechanic who assebled my motor commented on the offset of pin that connects the rod to the piston. He told me that where the offset was on the factory pistons was designed to give a more low end torque setup. The CP pistons are not offset and the pin is directly in the center.
This, combined with the switch from the Megan racing header to the OBX, has certainly added a noticeable increase in midrange torque and upper rpm HP. That is just from the but dyno how ever. I hope to have it on the dyno soon to dial in my afc.
I also installed delron motor mounts. Talk about making a MINI feel like a race car, or atleast sound like one. It sounds like a hellicopter hovering on your hood. And everything in the car shakes. It would probably not be so bad in a full interior car.
Also I removed the battery box and installed a braille battery underneath the hood beside the ABS box. And now the exhaust is ran straight back. The removal of that bend deffinately added a lot of decibles. I cannot even hear the supercharger from inside the car.
I will post picture of the pistons, exhaust, an battery box. I promise I will this time. Didn't get around to it last time.
Also such a successfull rebuild would not have been possilbe with out help from the devil. Thanks Jan!
Originally Posted by spillman
I do believe I have broke a ring land. Tonight when I was messing around with a porsche carrera s I heard a "pop." After that I parked the car. When I cranked the car up again it was idling like crap with the check engine light flashing. I drove it around and it felt a little low on power. However when I wasn't idling for a long time the check engine light didn't flash.
Me being the idiot I am decided to hit the nitrous just to see what would happen. When I hit the button it felt like I slammed on the brakes. I quickly let off and it keept running. Some guys following me said they saw a big flame come out of the exhaust (normal for my car when I hit the bottle) and then a huge cloud of black smoke.
Me being the idiot I am decided to hit the nitrous just to see what would happen. When I hit the button it felt like I slammed on the brakes. I quickly let off and it keept running. Some guys following me said they saw a big flame come out of the exhaust (normal for my car when I hit the bottle) and then a huge cloud of black smoke.


