Has anyone been tempted to put a 2.4L engine from PT Cruiser to a MINI?
The mechanic that installed my rear sway bar has one and told that there is not much difference between that engine and Mini's.

 

Could you imagine the torque of even the Neon SRT-4's engine in a MINI?

 

sure, they're both 4 cylinders, but......

Since I own both, I can go outside and make a close comparison...but it'll have to be tomorrow!

 

Let us know gone_motoring

 

Call me a n00b but are they engines from the same family?

If so..why don't we all stick SRT-4's engine in there when it makes plenty of torque instead of slapping more stuff onto the engine or twinscrew it

 

The TWINZ dream is dead! That's why

Maybe if you can custom make a new subframe for the srt engine

 

If you look, both engine look a lot alike.
Both are made by Daimler Chrysler.
Engine in Mini was supervised by BMW, but still a Neon engine.
Uf, it would be interesting to have a lot of torque in a little box and go kart moves, don't you think so??

 

I've done a lot of research on this and talked to some knowledgeable mini tuners. If you search this thread, you'll see 2.0 and 2.4 swap discussions. While it seems similar looking, they are not similar at all. I'm not saying it can't be done...I've owned cars with swaps that people said weren't practical...it's just going to be VERY difficult. For instance, when i put a 1.8DOHC Mazda engine in my Festiva, I had to channel the unibody to accomodate the extra length and then box it in to help retain the strength. Those engines were more similar than the ones we're discussing here so that made it easier (same mounting bosses, etc.) The 2.4 is physically larger and, while the joint venture to design the Tritec engine was with Chrysler, the Chrysler 2.0/2.4 is a totally different beast. Also their new "world motors" are totally different. Truth is, there's not a bolt-in swap for these things yet. Maybe the new alloy motors will be a relatively easy swap when they come out but it'll be a while before anyone does one, I'd guess. I've got a ton of photos of both engines from all angles, exploded views of the chrysler engines, and you won't see any significant similarities once the valve cover/coil assembly is removed.

I'd love to see this done. I don't want SRT4 power but a little bit of torque down low would be great. I hope someone does it and makes it doable for the rest of us but I just don't see any tuners doing it. It will be some crazy owner like you or me that gets bored and just goes at it. Good luck!

 

I dropped a 1.8 turbo into a Festiva and did not have to clearance ANYTHING. Of course that's because I used a stock tranny (like Cam Waugh did with the 1.6) and not the 1.8's (which was a 4WD trans anyway). The turbo intake manifold even cleared the firewall, something the NA one will NOT do. The Jatco autobox is crude but tough--was also used in the Mazda 626. As the Mini engine compartment has even less room than a Festiva and the 2.4/trans is a LOT bigger, I'd say it's a no-go unless you want to move the firewall back.

 

Wow, where did you score a 1.8 turbo? The 323 GTX only came with a 1.6 DOHC turbo (in the states, at least)...that's where the AWD trans you speak of would have come from...strange Sounds cool, though. Maybe a euro/jdm spec motor?

My 1.8 came from an Escort GT (the standard escort used a ford sourced 1.9, while the GT used the mazda 1.8 DOHC). I also used the stock Festiva trans. Still needed clearance if you were ever going to change the belt without removing the engine! Not to mention chassis flex on such an "under-engineered" car. The N/A intake was easy to mod with aluminum tubing and I wanted to remove the "butterfies" anyway so it was nice to have the custom runners. Well, back to the story at hand...sorry to take the thread off course.

 

The BPT was found in the '89-94 Mazda Familia GTX (looks like a 323/Protege) and Ford Laser GTX (which looks like our Escort GT only with 4WD and turbo) and dozens of "used Japanese engine" importers in the US can get them and other hipo engines. Just watch out for the Australia-only Ford Laser TX3 version that was detuned for cheap gas.

The reason the swap was relatively simple is because everything from 1.3 to Miata 1.8 is in the same "B" engine family (think "small block Mazda"). Unfortunately there is nothing in the Mini's engine family that is bigger or better than what is already there, so swaps would be a lot more difficult. It has long been established that the American 2.0-2.4 "big" Chryslers have nothing in common with the Brazilian "little" Chrysler motors, but this topic keeps coming up.

Too bad. After driving a 200hp <2000lb car around (was <1800 lbs stock) the 2700lb MCS feels slow as walking.

 

Wow, I think we have a new record for a thread resurrection...

Talk about bringing the dead back to life; this is almost bibilical!

 

I currently own a Dodge Neon SRT-4. The car's strength is its engine. I have an aftermarket turbo kit with Japanese fuel management and Japanese electronic boost controller. Even on crappy Chevron 91 octane California gas, it puts out 350whp and 300wtq at 22psi boost. This engine in a MINI would be insane.

 

Sure it had a lot of other goodies but if I remember correctly the widow was making 390whp with 18psi of boost with one of our 1.6's.

 

I thought the widow made like 478 hp or something? or was this with a nos shot? the only engine ive seen put in to one of these is a vtech engine, but it supposedly didn't work very well, i also saw a race-only mini which had an e96 m3 engine/tranny/drivetrain in it. Besides that, theres always the RMW stroker kit, which can bring you to 2.0 litres. If you twin charge a mcs, and add some other goodies, you can potentially get up to 400 hp, not easily though. I'd be interested in seeing someone put a different engine in. Would be cool. That said though, the mini engine is pretty strong and reliable for the most part. It can put out some pretty good power.

 

If I remember it was 512 all out, the 390 was just cruising around town.

 

Before you try to stuff a Chrysler 2.4L motor into a Mini you need to consider some things.
Yes, both motors are Chrysler designs but they are Two completely different engines.
The stroke is longer in a Cruiser/Neon engine meaning the engine is taller.
What EMU are you going to use? They are completely different.
Since the bores are bigger the C/N engine is longer.
You would have to use the C/N transmission also because Getrag will not bolt up.
The C/N engine is heavier than Mini engine. This would add more weight to the front end which is already heavy enough.
Suspension would have to be changed.
If it could be done, someone would already have done it.

 

The amount of money, time and effort involved in trying this would be much better spent building a 300+whp from a Mini engine.

 

Yeah. There's a twin-engined Cooper S with a jet turbine in the back. The 2.4 seems easier, but likely isn't worth the time or effort.

 

Of course anything is possible if you want to do it just for the sake of doing it.

Reminisant of my first hot rodding day's back in the mid-70's
"Stuff the biggest motor you can into the smallest car you can find."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my_J7lmd_-4

 

 

Yep, those were called muscle cars. Actually it came from hot rodding the old Model A Fords from the 30's. It started out in California in the 50's. Stuff a V8 flat head Ford, Chrysler Hemi or a small bock Chevy.

A perfect movie would be American Grafitti. Cheap gas & big heavy american armor, back in the day.

How bout a V8 into a Mini. They used to do it with the Chevy Vega. But that was RWD car, still unibody construction.

Dave

 

I was waiting for your comparison. What's your take on this?

 

Well, considering it's been almost six years since that post I'm guessing were not gonna get an answer, at least from gone_motoring.

 

The black car (widow)

16psi = 337whp/278wtq
22psi = 394whp/324wtq
30+~ = 554whp/ can't remember wtq