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Old May 28, 2005 | 06:35 PM
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Anyway take some pics further back. Looks cool up close like the OEM one but explain why this is better please
I do not know how to address this question, the second image shows you the
angle from behind the filter. Remember this is not a replacement for the original intake pipe.


Regarding the flow around the filter, at speed the the whole cavity around the filter gets flushed with high pressure cool air, preventing any hot air to enter
the cavity. During idling there will be a small amount of hot air entering in to
the filter, but much less then a HAI filter would see during idle...

We are also working on a couple of solutions for bringing in even more air in to
the filter cavity. One would be a larger opening towards the filter with a
very cool "ring" dressing the cutout and moving the airflow on to the filter.

The other option we are working on (with one of the members of this board)
is to implement a pressurized air collumn from our M7 hood scoop.

All these uppgrades are part of our uppgrade path System and can be retrofited at any time to your MINI.

Jason you will have a heatshield next week, if thats fast enough.

I will also have some images tomorrow of the system in all it's glory attached
to a car without the radiator etc. it will be very telling.

I also attached an image of a "proposed idea" for an aluminum plaque, what do you guys think and if you like.... maybe some design ideas.





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Old May 28, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Jason you will have a heatshield next week, if thats fast enough
 

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Old May 28, 2005 | 06:41 PM
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Thanks for the call today Peter, look forward to getting mine next week.
 

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Old May 28, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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NO LITTLE METAL PLATE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other than that, it looks very clean!! As soon as you have reached a final decision about design I will be picking one of these up for my '02
 
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Old May 28, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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I like the placque. I especially like the rivet-looking things at the corners. I'm not sure if it fits into the styling motif of M7 [to my recollection, a number of items include your logo with the circle], but that's for you to decide. Heh. I do like that it breaks up the otherwise uniform-looking shield. It's also less stealth for us outside of CA .
 
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Old May 28, 2005 | 08:24 PM
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I want one . I just need money first...
 
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Old May 29, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by M7

Originally Posted by Passat774
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Anyway take some pics further back.
I do not know how to address this question, the second image shows you the angle from behind the filter.
I may be putting words into Passat774's mouth, but I think "take some pics from further back" meant wider-angle shots showing more of the engine compartment. The pics are so close-up, it's kinda hard to imagine just how this looks.
 
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Old May 29, 2005 | 08:03 AM
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A question and a suggestion...

Originally Posted by M7
Air Gain System front view

I have a question and a suggestion...

1. Question: It sounds like this is supposed to be using the factory intake - the sort of triangular shaped opening in the radiator surround, that's at the bottom of the photo above. But I don't see anything there. Did I miss something, or is this just not hooked up in the photos?

2. Suggestion: I'll bet the ID plate is going to get a lot of votes on either side, yay or nay. Maybe you could offer the plate with some sort of peel-off super adhesive, letting people put it on or not at their own discretion.
 
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Old May 29, 2005 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by M7
We have finally finished the AGS heatshield....

And please, if you have nothing constructive to say, start your own thread
somewhere else.....Don't ruin this one

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Peter,

You have outdone yourself, AGAIN. This is beautifully styled. It is well thought out. It is OUT-OF-THE-BOX!!!

Thank you for your commitment to the Mini world. I expect to see some of your designs adopted by BMW/MINI in the future.

Well done!!! Bravo!!!

My order, through Speedware, can't get here soon enough.
 
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Old May 29, 2005 | 09:01 AM
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As the owner of the car pictured in this thread I thought I would give you my impressions of the car after the heat shield was installed.

No specific numbers.

That said, here is what I see. When the AGS was installed Peter took the outside air temperature probe that had been removed when the stock grills were replaced with the 3 piece M7 Ultimate Grill Set, and inserted it into the AGS air filter so I could see on a daily basis what the air temps were inside the filter. Since, to me, without the heat shield the filter would see about the same temps as an HAI installation it was interesting to note that the temp readings were considerably higher than ambient temps. On a club run up in the So Cal mountains a couple of weeks ago I saw triple digit numbers after working the car hard, way above ambient temps as this was at 4000 feet and was pretty cool outside.

After the heat shield was installed I have been continuing to monitor the air filter temps and they now appear to be right around the ambient temps in the area.

I don't know how scientific this method is, but it does present a comparison.

In the near future I am going to re-run that same mountain stretch and see what the real difference is.

If any body would like some specific numbers just PM me and we will discuss the results.

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Old May 29, 2005 | 09:13 AM
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Good Morning....

Thank you for the suggestions, I will have a nameplate/ sticker that can be
added by the customer if they so wish.

I was going to take some more images of the AGS today but I think the day is reserved for the wife and kids, so it will happen tomorrow.

As for the "missing" piece, we do not use the OE. part you are thinking of
as it does not fit in the very limited space available.

Webstrand....Thank you, the design is a coloboration between our composite
guy George and the M7 Team.


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Old May 29, 2005 | 10:40 AM
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NEXT WEEK?!!?!?!! I WANT IT NOW!!! "NOW" meaning right this instant

Cant wait... looks so secksy
 
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Old May 29, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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Heatshield

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The whole package looks awesome. Like the plaque there
 
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Old May 29, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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Peter,
Looks pretty. Can you tell me anything more about the benefits of the basalt system versus the fiberglass?

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Old May 30, 2005 | 02:47 AM
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Peter,

I can see that this heatsheild bolts onto the intercooler posts nearest the air intake. My concern is would there be a problem mounting the heatsheild if I have an aftermarket intercooler. I am using a GRS intercooler which uses that same bolt to hold the intercooler. Thanks!

John
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 03:46 AM
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as I recall, whenever an intake shield has been presented, there was discussion about how, where, and what temp air gets to it. How does it keep hot air out? does it draw from the cowl? what happens to water coming in? does it restrict air getting to the filter surface? How is it fitted in there?I would call these technical questions and they have been allowed for the BMP, Pilo and Alta intakes.

discussion of things like the above can lead to constuctive criticism of the product. For example: the engine moves considerably forward and backward under acceleration; I have seen a motor on the dyno move at least 1". Since the sheild is apparantly attached to the engine and the radiator, what happpens when the motor moves? I consider that to be constructive criticism; I also think it may be seen as a negative comment, but it also can lead to an improvement in the product.

However, it appears the moderators only will accept "constructive criticism" (read that as "nothing negative") and only about the appearance of the shield.
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jlm
as I recall, whenever an intake shield has been presented, there was discussion about how, where, and what temp air gets to it. How does it keep hot air out? does it draw from the cowl? what happens to water coming in? does it restrict air getting to the filter surface? How is it fitted in there?I would call these technical questions and they have been allowed for the BMP, Pilo and Alta intakes.
That is a good question because answers would not require M7 to post actual data.
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 09:09 AM
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That is a good question because answers would not require M7 to post actual data.
And that is a bad post because posts like that will only make them less likely to reply. C'mon guys. Let's try to help our cause just a little.
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by M7
...Webstrand....Thank you, the design is a coloboration between our composite
guy George and the M7 Team.

peter
Peter,

Did Speedware order the Bassalt or the Fiberglass shield? If they ordered the Fiberglass shield, then let me know and I'll correct it with them.
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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Here's some images of the AGS Vs. the OE intake trackt.

The OE. intake length from the Supercharger to filter 23", and it
also introduces many bends, narrowing tube diameters and kinks.

The AGS intake trackt is only 11" from filter to supercharger
no bends, kinks or narrowing tube diameters.......

As we only had one (first article) heat shield, I could not take an image with
the HS today sorry.

As for bending and moving, we have applied a couple of solutions. The resin used in the HS has a high elastic Modulus allowing it to be bent without stress fractures. The atachment points are also using a soft rubber material that will give both in the horizontal and vertical plane.

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Does it work with a aftermarket IC, I venture to guess yes as the mating point is vertical.

Air Gain System



Stock filter system view 1


Stock filter system view 2
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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the OE throttle body incorporates a bracket that ties it and that end of the intake runner to the engine. (can't see it in the pics). the runner has a punky screw attaching it to the SC

How is the M7 throttle body/runner held at the filter end?
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
And that is a bad post because posts like that will only make them less likely to reply. C'mon guys. Let's try to help our cause just a little.
It was not meant to be derisive. My point is that the questions that jlm posed could have been answered by an explanation that does not require numbers.

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So the question I have is, if you're not an (insert target vendor name here) customer and have no intentions of becoming one, why post in threads about their product making derisive comments or asking questions that the vendor has made it clear that they will not answered?
I have gotten over that M7 will not provide proof of his products effectiveness on NAM. But it seems now that people who have honest inquiries (again see jlm's last post) are branded as mean spirited techno-geeks who just want to bash a vendor. The problem I have with this question is that the "non-customers" are automatically labeled as derisive. Do you think some people are trying understand more about the product? Do you think some people may be asking the question for the benefit of others? Isn't the vendor free to ignore such questions if they don't want to answer them?
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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I don't mind answering any questions about the AGS, but as shown in more then
one closed AGS thread, the answer in never enough IE. the airflow #'s thread
where we where told that a 21% increase in airflow is really nothing, proving to us that no matter the answer, it will never be enough to some....

By the way this was a thred to show the new heatshield for the AGS.....

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Old May 30, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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Thank you for the before and after pictures Peter. Its amazing to see visually the improvement the M7 air tube is vs. Stock.
 
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Old May 30, 2005 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mdsbrain
Thank you for the before and after pictures Peter. Its amazing to see visually the improvement the M7 air tube is vs. Stock.
Ditto, great pics really showing the kink the OE inlet tube has. Stand alone pics make it hard to judge at times
Mike
 
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