Speaking of which...how many of you purchased the Zenon lamps because of it's specific greater output? Where the numbers on that?

 

Exactly ! ! !

 

Lighten up, Francis.

 

...but I can feel night and day with Xenon..eh?

I think AGS is good...Yes, AGS improves the airflow...but comon' be a little realistic on your input here...night and day!...that's useless.

I think stock MCS is not that bad thou.

 

On the other hand... Humor should be welcome.

 

OK, you convinced me to enter into this discussion one more time.

To start with, "I have no numbers to share today"

That said, here is my story. I had a unique before and after experience with the AGS. My car was undergoing some extensive mods from M7 as follows:

M7/Cosworth head
M7 400cc injectors
Schrick cam
M7 Polished Supercharger
M7/MTH software
62mm TB
AGS w/heat shield

The car was returned to stock and dynoed before any of these modifications were made. After the mods were done we reinstalled my Magnaflow exhaust system.

All work was being done prior to the Vegas meet. Due to some scheduling difficulties there wasn't enough time to install the AGS before the trip to Vegas, so we left the stock intake system on the car with all the other changes done. I drove the car for 4 days at Vegas and the performance was great, as you would expect with the rest of these mods. After returning the car to M7 the AGS was installed and I got the car back.

Here is the "Butt Dyno" results from switching from the stock intake to the AGS on my car with all the other mods already done.

No doubt about it with all these mods the stock intake was strangling the motor. While the car had way more power than stock and lots of low end torque, throttle response was kind of muted and the car struggled trying to get to its new rev limit of 7300 RPMs.

After installation of the AGS, throttle response was crisp and immediate and the motor no longer has any problem getting to the rev limiter. In fact if you hit the throttle at 3000 RPMs in first gear, you better already have your hand on the shifter, because you are very quickly into the rev limiter and when you let the clutch out in second gear, brace your back and be ready to grab third gear. It all happens very quickly.

To sum up, in my instance, the AGS turned a quick car into a "Snarling Beast". Oh, before I forget, the sound is "Unfreakingbelievable". Before retuning this car to stock I had an Alta intake and I really loved the sound.
But the sound of the AGS is so much better. The only problem is that the sound of the AGS is actually quieter than the Alta inside the car. Outside the car it is a completely different story. I have seen people turn to see what the sound is a half a block away if I get on it. I now drive with my windows down a lot more so I can hear the beautiful music.

Ok, I guess I have to say, "I like my AGS", that was the original question, wasn't it.

Bill

P.S. There will be a final dyno number & I will post before and after numbers for my entire package. Not just for the AGS, sorry.

 

what exactly is the Cosworth head?

 

Peter's operation has been collaborating with the famous Cosworth (F1 fame) motor works to develope a superior head for the Cooper S. I wish I lived in California or I'd have one to test too

 

do you mean a special casting, maybe even DOHC?

 

jlm,

Not a new casting, not DOHC.
You would have to talk to Peter to get the specifics on what Cosworth is doing to the head.

Bill

 

BILL !! im so happy you have done that write up !! Im waiting for my AGS and im now getting itchy fingers to get it! Good for you matey

And yes the "Cosworth" parts are very special indeed

 

What I find even more humorous is the lack of response from those that I ask about their CAIs.

I mean they are all clamoring for numbers on the AGS, but not one has shown where the numbers given by the manufacturer for CAIs were backed up with dyno charts or flow bench tests. Yet hundreds, some of those the ones questioning the AGS, went out and bought them on the "hype" from the manufacturer.

Kinda makes you wonder . . .

 

Maybe I missed something, but which other intake manufacturers claimed that their intake outflowed all others on the market by a margin?

 

Posts like THIS (and the headlight comment above) are exactly why people keep piling into these stupid M7 threads.


For sake of argument I'll assume that the people asking questions about the system are potential customers. They have asked questions for months about the product and occasionally been fed bits of information about it. What I can't figure out is why you, and others like you, are sitting back telling these people to shut up and quit asking for this information. In effect, to spend their money or go away.

And for the record, I am a potential customer - albeit one who would be MUCH more likely to purchase from M7 if they didn't post in threads like this where he posts 10 times that he's completing a project that never gets released. I mean search the archives and look at how much he talked up the AGS before finally getting it to market. Though, it's a company's right, I suppose, to do advertise the way they choose.

Clearly, some feel the need to defend a person who has said he doesn't want you to. Running across the mirror thread was really the last straw for me. There are quite a few products M7 makes that I would have already purchased had they been release by any other vendor. At this point, I'll just do without them until someone else gets around to copying them.

I'm sure you'll counter with your typical axe to grind comment - but I care as much about your opinion as M7 does about mine...

 

Sorry to everyone else for disrupting another thread. I'm through with them altogether now.

 

Jeff, as the Soup **** might say - No AGS for you!
(sorry, can't figure out how to post the pic in the post)

On topic, I did hear the AGS, and it's definitely a big sucking sound from the front of the car! Didn't ride in the car, so I can't comment on that.

 

Trying to keep this a little less intense, I sent this to Andy. He preferred that it be posted in the forums.

Even when M7 posted numbers, from an independent source, showing an improvement in the flow for the AGS over the stock piece you were not satisfied.

You resorted, as have others, to screaming for dyno numbers to prove an HP improvement. Yet you, and others, have not held other manufacturers to the same standard regarding their products. Like I have said in a previous post, many went out and purchased CAI's and exhausts based on a statement by the manufacturer of a HP increase from the use of their product. No dyno charts to back up the claims, yet hundreds jumped on the bandwagon and purchased.

Tell me Andy, did you purchase an aftermarket exhaust without a dyno chart to support the supposed HP claims made by the manufacturer? If you did, you would be somewhat of a hypocrite for asking for something from M7 that you did not require from another manufacturer. The only difference is M7 is a small manufacturer who is very responsive to his customers, while the likes of Borla or K&N could really care less about what you think about their products, as long as the hot rod rags talk their stuff up. That's what sells!

Most, if not all, HP claims made by manufacturers for their products have been shown to be anywhere from mildly exaggerated to grossly exaggerated and yet people still rush to purchase the same products.

Isn't that shocking!

This is not meant as a shot across Andy's bow. I do respect Andy for his use of test methods to substantiate his claims, for the testing he has done, and for the information he has shared with this community.

This is a valid question, that has been asked in two places now, regarding the differing standards of proof people have required from manufacturers prior to purchasing a product. It would appear that if you are a large manufacturer, or a favored manufacturer, we will trust what ever comes from your marketing division. If your aren't, stand by.

There have been times that M7 has developed something that I felt was not worth the time. I even chimed in on one of those threads way back when. But I do see a different standard being applied here, one that has not been applied elsewhere on these forums.

 

Please re-read that thread. The flow numbers were for ONE PART of the AGS, not the whole thing. Flow numbers for the entire AGS compared to the entire stock system, and to other entire CAI's would have been telling. What was posted did not show a flow improvement for the entire system.
Please find an example where I am "screaming for dyno numbers " for this product.
I bought a Magnaflow exhaust based on dyno results posted by RandyBMC. I tested the exhaust and found the results to be nowhere close to Randy's claims. He has since revised downward the claims considerably. I don't have that exhaust anymore, it was too loud considering the minor performance improvement it provided.
Please go back and re-read my comments about the AGS. I could care less whether it delivers 10 hp or takes away 10 hp. What I care about is that this vendor claimed the intake outflows every other intake on the market by a margin. He also publicly discouraged people from buying other products so they could wait for the AGS to become available. This is the Performance Modifications forum. It's about discussion of which parts work for our MINI's and which don't. This involves not just using our senses (sound, feel) but TESTING DATA as well. I've said it before and I'll say it again. What a vendor makes a claim that they've tested their product and have shown some MEASURABLE GAIN, they should be prepared to post that testing data. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

I could be mistaken but I believe M7 did post numbers on airflow, which is all you're claiming they claimed in the first place. Unless I read something incorrectly.

 

Well said Andy!!!

 

What did I tell you? The flys are here again lookn for ***** For those of you sincerely interested in AGS information but am fed up with the garbage these flys contribute...contact the known AGS users directly.

You know Andy...I respect your contributions when they are constructive but I have to say...I believe you're just in this to be mean and sadistic. I think you're a smart person with lots of good ideas. Hell...I've even asked you for advice in the past but I am quickly loosing respect in light of your decorum in this matter. I recognize a smart person as well as smart ***...the audience can tell the difference.

No one that I'm aware of ever confronted your creativity nor your assertions regarding the benifits of your HAI or vacume system...especially not Peter, myself, CustomAV or anyone else who supports Peter's product development efforts. I'm no scientist and I never gave a rat's @ss when you posted graphs and numbers (I was impressed). Nevertheless, I employed your HAI idea in between the Alta and the AGS because I had confidence that you know what you're doing. Challenging Peter and his supporters into a geek pissin contest at every opportunity doesn't impress me in the least and is tiresome. YOU'RE BORING THE HELL OUTTA ME!!!

I don't know what you have against him (and you do) but as far as I'm concerned, you're the instigator who has created a group of M7 detractors. Detractors who have no intention of EVER using the AGS or any of M7's products.

So Peter wasn't able to follow through with his optimistic quotes that you so much like to rake him through the coal over again and again. That's fun isn't it? Like beatn the crap out of a smarter kid in your class. Do you remember what that was like in school? I'm curious, were you the guys getting beat up or the guys doing the beating? You're certainly not neutral.

Perhaps if you guys hadn't turn the AGS into a "prove it or loose it" event, Peter might be less reluctant to put out numbers. You guys are just dying to see him fall on his face. That's the bottom line...and that's your motive as far I can see regardless of the numbers crap you detractors keep playing.

Do you anti-M7 gang have anything else to contribute besides "Peter's a lyar" and "we want numbers"? If not...quit coming back and repeating yourselves. Write it on your forheads backward so you can read it in the mirror every day. The rest of us GOT your message loud and clear for the last six months Consider that thumb as an impolite salute

 

I heard this new "plasma booster" thing is all the rage!









::stirs the pot, runs away quickly

 

Sorry, it took a while to get back to this ... I was leading the conspiracy against Peter.

Please read exactly what I wrote. Allow it to sink in. Formulate thoughts. Reply. Enjoy.

BTW, I was a smart jock in school. I'm not sure why that matters, but I don't recall either getting beat up or beating up others ... except for my friends.

 

That's exactly how I thought you would reply Andy. Congratulations...you've wrecked another AGS thread. NAM...if you guys can't moderate this...I'm outta here Have fun with you're selves.

 

So, to recap, you are mad at me and at NAM for allowing discussion of actual, measurable performance ... in a forum for Performance Mods. All would be better if everyone stuck to touchy-feely threads that not only didn't ask for data, but rejected that whole notion that data matters at all?

Is it possible that you are lashing out at me because you are getting angry at the prospect that your emperor may have no clothes?