Drivetrain 274.9hp at the crank with M7 Venom.
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I need more info guys... seriously considering this as an option.Price is not an issue.. If this is possible then I can have a Motec LCD screen instead of a huge cluster of guages
A friend of mine has it on his Evo7 and its a gift from above
I'll ask about it... one more thing, will it kill the nav and the trip computer on it.. like I care about the trip computer?.. just a need to know basis.
Originally Posted by TonyB
I believe Tony Nuzzo has Motecs in each of his cars... I'll be seeing them in two more weekends at Laguna Seca. Here is their website:
http://www.nuzzomotorsports.com
http://www.nuzzomotorsports.com
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Thx for the info...
Installation is not an issue.. just the issues of compatibility with the other components in the Mini.
Installation is not an issue.. just the issues of compatibility with the other components in the Mini.
Originally Posted by supercoopers
Yes,
A very good friend of mine (tuner) has installed Motec 400 (?) ecu's into 2 MINIs here in the UK so far and they work a treat! I was quoted 1400GBP though for the ecu and install
. I'll stick with the Siemens unit thanks
Henry
A very good friend of mine (tuner) has installed Motec 400 (?) ecu's into 2 MINIs here in the UK so far and they work a treat! I was quoted 1400GBP though for the ecu and install
. I'll stick with the Siemens unit thanks Henry
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Originally Posted by uae mini
Thx for the info...
Installation is not an issue.. just the issues of compatibility with the other components in the Mini.
Installation is not an issue.. just the issues of compatibility with the other components in the Mini.
After his experiences with both installs, I asked him whether it would be worth me getting a similar setup. He replied that the Siemens 3 E-prom ECU on the MINI is pretty special in terms of ultimate capability and was sure that that is all he would need to tune my car to the levels required.
Needless to say, I can find out more if required since this is coming from someone that has installed these on a MINI firsthand, but I myself am also waiting to pass judgement on what he has done to my car with the standard ECU in place... unfortunately I am abroad at the moment and don't get to play with my car for another 2.5 months!
HTH,
Henry
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That is what I call torture
Well eventually I would want to track the car and the endless features the Motec would help out with everything... it would get more horses out of the engine aswell.
Way better than using an Apexi fuel controller.. well obviously.
I will take you're advice into consideration..
If and when I map it.. its going to be in the hands of the only person who maps Motecs in the Middle East (deals with alot of rally cars).. so it would be of great help for him atleast if the experiences were shared.
Not in a hurry to install it right away.. got a few things left to do.
Well eventually I would want to track the car and the endless features the Motec would help out with everything... it would get more horses out of the engine aswell.
Way better than using an Apexi fuel controller.. well obviously.
I will take you're advice into consideration..
If and when I map it.. its going to be in the hands of the only person who maps Motecs in the Middle East (deals with alot of rally cars).. so it would be of great help for him atleast if the experiences were shared.
Not in a hurry to install it right away.. got a few things left to do.
Originally Posted by supercoopers
I am not entirely sure how the installation of a Motec ECU integrates exactly with the OEM features present in the standard Siemens ECU. He did tell me though that each car took in excess of two weeks to map to perfection, and I think I remember him mentioning that the traction control feature is superior on the Motec because of custom parameter inputs etc .
After his experiences with both installs, I asked him whether it would be worth me getting a similar setup. He replied that the Siemens 3 E-prom ECU on the MINI is pretty special in terms of ultimate capability and was sure that that is all he would need to tune my car to the levels required.
Needless to say, I can find out more if required since this is coming from someone that has installed these on a MINI firsthand, but I myself am also waiting to pass judgement on what he has done to my car with the standard ECU in place... unfortunately I am abroad at the moment and don't get to play with my car for another 2.5 months!
HTH,
Henry
After his experiences with both installs, I asked him whether it would be worth me getting a similar setup. He replied that the Siemens 3 E-prom ECU on the MINI is pretty special in terms of ultimate capability and was sure that that is all he would need to tune my car to the levels required.
Needless to say, I can find out more if required since this is coming from someone that has installed these on a MINI firsthand, but I myself am also waiting to pass judgement on what he has done to my car with the standard ECU in place... unfortunately I am abroad at the moment and don't get to play with my car for another 2.5 months!
HTH,
Henry
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Jeff, in my original post I stated that the 274 at the crank "sounded so cool". In the same post, the actual wheel hp numbers are stated as 231whp and 245 ftlb. The calculated number is just that...it should be taken with a grain of salt. Wouldn't it be nice if car manufacturers would advertise whp too?
Originally Posted by JeffS
Nice... although I find it odd that you would rather give a calculated number rather than the one that was actually measured.
- hoping everyone here will embrace WHP numbers soon enough
- hoping everyone here will embrace WHP numbers soon enough
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From: London, UK
Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
How about 378hp @ the wheels instead? There is a mini around doin it
Damn that's a good result. Thread hijack from the 'Dyno Queen'
Henry
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Originally Posted by uae mini
That is what I call torture
Well eventually I would want to track the car and the endless features the Motec would help out with everything... it would get more horses out of the engine aswell.
Way better than using an Apexi fuel controller.. well obviously.
I will take you're advice into consideration..
If and when I map it.. its going to be in the hands of the only person who maps Motecs in the Middle East (deals with alot of rally cars).. so it would be of great help for him atleast if the experiences were shared.
Not in a hurry to install it right away.. got a few things left to do.
Well eventually I would want to track the car and the endless features the Motec would help out with everything... it would get more horses out of the engine aswell.
Way better than using an Apexi fuel controller.. well obviously.
I will take you're advice into consideration..
If and when I map it.. its going to be in the hands of the only person who maps Motecs in the Middle East (deals with alot of rally cars).. so it would be of great help for him atleast if the experiences were shared.
Not in a hurry to install it right away.. got a few things left to do.
As for the Motec, when I get the chance I'll pick my friend's mind for specifics (that are beyond my knowledge anyway) and make notes to share on here.
If you have any very specific questions that you want answering, please post them up so that my questioning has an element of focus.
Cheers,
Henry
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Alright supercoopers
Once I get the time to ask the guy about specifics.. you will get a PM.
Lets get back on topic
Sorry Bisch
Once I get the time to ask the guy about specifics.. you will get a PM.
Lets get back on topic
Sorry Bisch
Originally Posted by supercoopers
Tell me about it man...I am having such bad withdrawal symtptoms I think I may need professional help soon
As for the Motec, when I get the chance I'll pick my friend's mind for specifics (that are beyond my knowledge anyway) and make notes to share on here.
If you have any very specific questions that you want answering, please post them up so that my questioning has an element of focus.
Cheers,
Henry
As for the Motec, when I get the chance I'll pick my friend's mind for specifics (that are beyond my knowledge anyway) and make notes to share on here.
If you have any very specific questions that you want answering, please post them up so that my questioning has an element of focus.
Cheers,
Henry
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From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by Bisch
My latest is 13.553 @ 106.5 mph. Still having a big problem with traction. My short times are sucking. I wish the Venom was progressive. There is no question that it could run very low 13's (maybe high 12) if I could improve traction....and my brain/foot times. You would think that after 100+ passes with this thing I would have it down. Messing around with when to hit the nitrous is killing me.
edit: That run was with a FULL tank of gas too. I fell asleep while at the pump on the way to the track.
You would think that after 100+ passes with this thing I would have it down. Messing around with when to hit the nitrous is killing me.edit: That run was with a FULL tank of gas too.
I fell asleep while at the pump on the way to the track.you can get a measure of the original struts and have some solids ones made...
of course this solution is only for the track... it will be krazy to drive like that on the street.
he has a scion ct with nos and to runs he uses the solid strut deal and he dropped .29 of a sec by just getting the extra grip
in any case your numbers are sweet! keep up the good work
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I spent countless hours, days, weeks and a thousand different set-ups to make the cryo system work for the car. I was the first to install the system a couple years ago on the mcs. I have to say that the major problem with the system on this application is the ingestion of co2 into the motor. Unless you relocate the intake FAR from the intercooler, you will suck up co2, thus choaking the motor. I lost ~35whp on the dyno several times because of this.
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From: New Brunswick, NJ
Originally Posted by minicoop78
yes the cryo is difficult because of location. unless you use no2 but again you have to be careful with that for obvious reasons.
BY the way congrats thats great #s
BY the way congrats thats great #s
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
I recognize that nitrous can be dangerous, but I haven't seen anyone venture to answer how dangerous it is in our minis, and in what ways. How dangerous is the Venom system? It's been asked in this thread a couple of times, but not yet addressed. Thanks!
Hi there...
When we initially started to look in to nitrous systems, the Venom systems where the cream of the crop, technically superior to the other systems on the market. We built a system for the MINI based on the very sophisticated
Venom 2000 system, custom programed the computer for the MCS ECU and
had nothing but problems, and finally blew up my engine
Yes I blew it up, dented the hood, ballooned the intercooler, fryed the head
and smashed 2 pistons and rods in to oblivion.......
Why would I tell you this??? The answer is easy, it was R&D we learned a lot,
and found out that the venom 2000 system was Not compatible with
the MCS ECU. After that we rebuilt the engine, courtesy of Venom
We set out to test the Venom 1000 system, as I am a glutten for punishment
and after 2 solid weeks of wiring, rewiring and custom programing of the venom computer, we had a winner that is absolutly incredible....
It's been on the market for over 2 years and with the exception of one
MINI owner who took it to the race track (road racing) even after I warned him about the risks, and melted a valve, balloned an intercoler....etc.etc.etc.
I also highly recommend our 400cc injectors to allow a rich combustion process
alleviating any lean A/F ratio, and as a side component you will be able to use
the purple and...........Black injector
If you have other questions, feel free to call us for more info regarding
the nitrous system, our injectors etc.
peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
http://www.m7tuning.com/products/nitroussystem.htm
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From: phoenix
Nitrous when set up right is very safe I meant when using an intercooler spayer filled with no2 it could be dangerous because it is more uncontolled as to how much is in the engine bay an getting sucked into the intake.
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ok well i am going to try the Cryo System with a few mods and see what happens maybe it will work but i will have fun trying it
failing that i would like to try NOS
so here is my burning question
as i am in Ireland and considir myself handy with a spanner
if i buy the Venom system can i install it myself???
how difficult of an install is it???
and can i have an honest answer what are the long term effects on my engine with NOS
failing that i would like to try NOS
so here is my burning question
as i am in Ireland and considir myself handy with a spanner
if i buy the Venom system can i install it myself???
how difficult of an install is it???
and can i have an honest answer what are the long term effects on my engine with NOS
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From: Atlanta
Originally Posted by M7
I also highly recommend our 400cc injectors to allow a rich combustion process
alleviating any lean A/F ratio, and as a side component you will be able to use
the purple and...........Black injector
If you have other questions, feel free to call us for more info regarding
the nitrous system, our injectors etc.
alleviating any lean A/F ratio, and as a side component you will be able to use
the purple and...........Black injector
If you have other questions, feel free to call us for more info regarding
the nitrous system, our injectors etc.
Thanks!
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From: Lansdale, PA
What was different in the 2000 system that caused the engine to blow? 
Originally Posted by M7
Hi there...
When we initially started to look in to nitrous systems, the Venom systems where the cream of the crop, technically superior to the other systems on the market. We built a system for the MINI based on the very sophisticated
Venom 2000 system, custom programed the computer for the MCS ECU and
had nothing but problems, and finally blew up my engine
Yes I blew it up, dented the hood, ballooned the intercooler, fryed the head
and smashed 2 pistons and rods in to oblivion.......
Why would I tell you this??? The answer is easy, it was R&D we learned a lot,
and found out that the venom 2000 system was Not compatible with
the MCS ECU. After that we rebuilt the engine, courtesy of Venom
We set out to test the Venom 1000 system, as I am a glutten for punishment
and after 2 solid weeks of wiring, rewiring and custom programing of the venom computer, we had a winner that is absolutly incredible....
It's been on the market for over 2 years and with the exception of one
MINI owner who took it to the race track (road racing) even after I warned him about the risks, and melted a valve, balloned an intercoler....etc.etc.etc.
I also highly recommend our 400cc injectors to allow a rich combustion process
alleviating any lean A/F ratio, and as a side component you will be able to use
the purple and...........Black injector
If you have other questions, feel free to call us for more info regarding
the nitrous system, our injectors etc.
peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
http://www.m7tuning.com/products/nitroussystem.htm
When we initially started to look in to nitrous systems, the Venom systems where the cream of the crop, technically superior to the other systems on the market. We built a system for the MINI based on the very sophisticated
Venom 2000 system, custom programed the computer for the MCS ECU and
had nothing but problems, and finally blew up my engine
Yes I blew it up, dented the hood, ballooned the intercooler, fryed the head
and smashed 2 pistons and rods in to oblivion.......
Why would I tell you this??? The answer is easy, it was R&D we learned a lot,
and found out that the venom 2000 system was Not compatible with
the MCS ECU. After that we rebuilt the engine, courtesy of Venom
We set out to test the Venom 1000 system, as I am a glutten for punishment
and after 2 solid weeks of wiring, rewiring and custom programing of the venom computer, we had a winner that is absolutly incredible....
It's been on the market for over 2 years and with the exception of one
MINI owner who took it to the race track (road racing) even after I warned him about the risks, and melted a valve, balloned an intercoler....etc.etc.etc.
I also highly recommend our 400cc injectors to allow a rich combustion process
alleviating any lean A/F ratio, and as a side component you will be able to use
the purple and...........Black injector
If you have other questions, feel free to call us for more info regarding
the nitrous system, our injectors etc.
peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
http://www.m7tuning.com/products/nitroussystem.htm
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
What was different in the 2000 system that caused the engine to blow?
what are your views on NOS