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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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If you break down "assumption" I think you get the point...
Well if it isn't a product or service being devoloped by SPI I woud be an a$$. However if it is, I'd say we know who the a$$ is. Where would you like to put your money if it was bet that SPI was talking about something he is developing or somebody else?

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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 08:58 AM
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It sounds to me like bragging rights. If it was advertising etc. we would see numbers - including where to buy.

Good job with the dyno, hopefully we will hear/see more soon.
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:01 AM
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They're not "advertising". They're showing a dynoplot of their current work. Just because it's their current work, doesn't mean it's a product. It clearly appears they're in development of prototyping right now since neither a part number nor a price was given. So this is not a product anyone can order. This is not available to the public! The term advertising ( remember, this is your word not mine or anyone elses) means getting the word out about a product or service. Since it's neither a service nor a product, they simply, by definition, cannot be "advertising".


Ahh, there! Good. Now you get it. "A vendor made a claim of breaking a barrier and posted a plot." That's all they've done. Period.

Ahh, there! Now you've made that leap and you're imagining things. See now, now you've assumed this is a "services goods". It is not!
Illegal use of BS....half the distance to the goal.

ad·ver·tis·ing ([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (dvr-tzng)
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  2. The business of designing and writing advertisements.
  3. Advertisements considered as a group: This paper takes no advertising.

I guess he advertising his business. Developing interest. Drawing attention to SPI.

Please spare me the poor semantics.


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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pcnorton
Well if it isn't a product or service being devoloped by SPI I woud be an a$$. However if it is, I'd say we know who the a$$ is. Where would you like to put your money if it was bet that SPI was talking about something he is developing or somebody else?

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I am shocked NASA hasn't called you for advice. This is stimulating conversation. Makes me want to go watch Dumb & Dumber again
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:08 AM
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Sooooo....whats done to the block?
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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I am shocked NASA hasn't called you for advice. This is stimulating conversation. Makes me want to go watch Dumb & Dumber again
Just the fact you watched it the first time says it all.

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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:12 AM
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Coop d'etat
Sooooo....whats done to the block?
wow... someone wants real info....

pistons..... that's it
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:16 AM
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Just the fact you watched it the first time says it all.

Paul
that's probably the most accurate thing you have ever posted
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:17 AM
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that's great
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pcnorton
I guess he advertising his business. Developing interest. Drawing attention to SPI.
Ahhh.... now you get it! That's also known as "branding". However, Paul, you've said in this thread that this dyno graph is from one of SPI's "products". You've also said he's "advertising" this product. Now, come on, and be a big man and step up and say you were wrong about the graph being one of SPI's current products and also you were wrong about SPI advertising a product.
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
wow... someone wants real info....

pistons..... that's it

Im assuming a tad higher compression? Low 9's?
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
Ahhh.... now you get it! That's also known as "branding". However, Paul, you've said in this thread that this dyno graph is from one of SPI's "products". You've also said he's "advertising" this product. Now, come on, and be a big man and step up and say you were wrong about the graph being one of SPI's current products and also you were wrong about SPI advertising a product.
LOL..Your irght they are not advertising anything. They are just showing a dyno plot from a mythological car. There are no services nor porducts(future or current) they are selling or trying to generate interset in. Whatever was I thinking. .



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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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I wish more info was given. Just someone posting a graph. Is this for sale, details of what was done... Are all missing. AmD has dynoed a Mini at 400whp, but that doesn't mean anything. It blew up shortly thereafter.
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:19 AM
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Where to order the kit?
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Where to order the kit?
Better to ask-
Does this even exist for the MINI?
If so then someone post the details and price.
Otherwise, nice graphics.
Hey, Batman can run fast!
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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This is one of those threads that will take at least 500 pages to really start understanding everything about how these impressive dyno numbers were attained. First post was impressive but everything thereafter was devoid of meaning. First post was kind of lacking as well. Just as dgszweda1, details are missing!
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Is this an advertisement for the "Tornado Air Intake" ?

I wouldn't doubt that someone could generate 300HP from the engine with enough parts, time and money.

Realisticly... how long will the engine last? Do you have to rebuild after every run?

How are you keeping that kind of power connected to the road?
Even with LSD, you would burn up any tires close to stock size under moderate/heavy acceleration. A lot of feathering the throttle I'd guess.

I'll wait for the long term review before I buy.
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pcnorton
LOL..Your irght
What about my irght?

Originally Posted by pcnorton
They are just showing a dyno plot from a mythological car.
Mythological car? I guess I must be a myth as well, because I've DRIVEN this "Mythological" MINI.
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
[b] They're not "advertising".
That's debatable.

I could argue that a vendor is always advertising. Once you've started speaking for a company, it's difficult to take a step back and post as an individual again. Regardless of your intent, you're always going to be seen as someone trying to sell something.
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mini03Tiger84
Realisticly... how long will the engine last? Do you have to rebuild after every run?
I hope not. The TwinCharged kit that SPI does sell, shows 250whp, when added to a stock MCS. I know Hubie of SPI tested that kit for a year prior to releasing to the public. Why a year? Because that's how much effort into long-term testing Hubie and SPI are willing to put forth.

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How are you keeping that kind of power connected to the road?
Drag slicks with a good suspension set-up.

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Even with LSD, you would burn up any tires close to stock size under moderate/heavy acceleration. A lot of feathering the throttle I'd guess.
Yes, contrary to popular practice, the throttle pedal is NOT an on/off switch.

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I'll wait for the long term review before I buy.
That is good practices to wait for long-term reviews prior to purchase :smile: But what here is there to buy?
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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This is one of those threads that will take at least 500 pages to really start understanding everything about how these impressive dyno numbers were attained....First post was kind of lacking as well. ...details are missing!
I'm quite sure if the intent of this thread was for everyone to understand how that much HP was attained, then SPI would have posted the details of the R&D they've spent their money on. But, as any business man will tell you, it is not good business practice to share your R&D with outsiders. You've spent the money to get data/details from R&D, you're certainly not just going to give that away.
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
What about my irght?


Mythological car? I guess I must be a myth as well, because I've DRIVEN this "Mythological" MINI.
So you have some connection to SPI. Everything begins to get clear for me.

I guess typos totally confuse you. Sorry. It was a swap of th r and i of right. I realize these nuances really throw you as you believe this wasn't and advertisment for SPI, their products/services or future products/services. But of course your right. ALl they did is put up a pretty graphic. No mention fo what car. We are ll assuming its a cooper. I guess that our bad. No mention of car, what was done to whatever car/motor...LOL this really is interesting. Everybody so impressed can you imagine if this is a Viper? Wouldn't be so impressive.



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So you have some connection to SPI. Everything begins to get clear for me.
Nope, just a potential customer and they happen to be in Phoenix just like me. Which gave me the opportunity to test drive their MCS. As I've said in a thread about the SPI Twincharged Kit, I'm saving up my pennies to buy one for my MCS.

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I guess typos totally confuse you. Sorry. It was a swap of th r and i of right.


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But of course your right.
What about my right?
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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A 300 hp F/I car really isn't anything to write home about. Granted it's cool that its a mini, but the Honda/Nissan import scene have been cranking out 300+ engines in every city in the U.S. for years. I know plenty of JRSC'ed Type R's that are putting down over 300hp. I had a single cam honda put down 240hp on stock internals with an tdo3 at 10psi. Granted its not huge power...but its impressive considering it starts with 108hp.

I'm sure details will come out in a bit, but you cant expect a full write up w/ pics 3 hours after the dyno results are posted

Soon enough 300hp Minis wont even be a conversation piece....
 



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