Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R56) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain Replace wiring harness

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 03-08-2018, 07:41 PM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Replace wiring harness

Has anyone ever replaced their engine wiring harness? Tonight I had a coil pack somehow fall apart causing cylinder 3 misfire. I went to Inspect and when I pulled the coil pack and wires were exposed and smoking. Put my other coils in and it still misfired. Tried to limp home and now the car keeps blowing the 15a fuse for the ignition under the hood. Im worried the could may have fried some wiring in the harness.... Any thoughts?
 
  #2  
Old 03-08-2018, 09:28 PM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Im going to start by replacing the ignition relay. Maybe its just a bad relay causing it to blow the fuse out.??
 
  #3  
Old 03-09-2018, 05:35 AM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
year? s or non s?

you could buy the harness fairly cheap.
 
  #4  
Old 03-09-2018, 05:37 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
year? s or non s?

you could buy the harness fairly cheap.

Its a 2014 Clubman S. Im going to try a few things before a new harness...it has to be a short some where. I need to check all the ignition and fuel relays and the DME relay
 
  #5  
Old 03-09-2018, 06:25 AM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
  #6  
Old 03-09-2018, 06:40 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
I don't know how to read electrical diagrams like that. What should I be looking for. I see the Fuse in the diagram but. what is it connected to do I can see the grounds and stuff. Im wondering if I pushed my negative battery terminal out of the way too hard and crimped a wire.
 
  #7  
Old 03-09-2018, 06:46 AM
WayMotorWorks's Avatar
WayMotorWorks
WayMotorWorks is offline
Vendor
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 10,557
Received 757 Likes on 618 Posts
We've actually seen this a few times from the DME being bad. Good news is if that is it is covered under the 8yr/80k emission warranty.
 
__________________


HOTCHKIS | DDM | CRAVEN | AKRAPOVIC | NM ENGINEERING | MEGAN | FORGE | IE | OS GIKEN | POWERFLEX and more
  #8  
Old 03-09-2018, 06:47 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by WayMotorWorks
We've actually seen this a few times from the DME being bad. Good news is if that is it is covered under the 8yr/80k emission warranty.
I just got my DME back from getting stage 3 software.....aren't they going to see that and void me
 
  #9  
Old 03-09-2018, 06:56 AM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
Originally Posted by 4mikebruns
I don't know how to read electrical diagrams like that. What should I be looking for. I see the Fuse in the diagram but. what is it connected to do I can see the grounds and stuff. Im wondering if I pushed my negative battery terminal out of the way too hard and crimped a wire.
If you click on the various blue txt, it will take you to another page where you can select the location of the item and that sort of thing. here are some examples:

for F010 : https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...-s-clu/RFRiyOY

for X60232 : https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...s-clu/H1tIQHNk

for X60231 : https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...s-clu/CTARddMz

and so on...where in NJ are you?
 
  #10  
Old 03-09-2018, 07:00 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
If you click on the various blue txt, it will take you to another page where you can select the location of the item and that sort of thing. here are some examples:

for F010 : https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...-s-clu/RFRiyOY

for X60232 : https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...s-clu/H1tIQHNk

for X60231 : https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...s-clu/CTARddMz

and so on...where in NJ are you?
Central NJ at McGuire AFB
 
  #11  
Old 03-09-2018, 07:07 AM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
you're not too far from my work place...do you know what fuse keeps popping? location/fuse number on box?
 
  #12  
Old 03-09-2018, 07:08 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
you're not too far from my work place...do you know what fuse keeps popping? location/fuse number on box?

Its fuse F10 in the engine bay. Its the only 15a fuse in there. The symbol on the lid is an engine with a lightning bolt thru it
 
  #13  
Old 03-09-2018, 07:57 AM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
did you separate the wires from each other at that coil?
the fuse only pops when you turn the ignition on, right?
if you probe where pin 5 sits, do you get a light (one end of your probe on + and the other on the pin socket of the relay).



if you remove the relay above fuse F10, does the fuse pop?
if you replace that relay with one of the two above it, does that pop the fuse?
 
  #14  
Old 03-09-2018, 08:00 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
did you separate the wires from each other at that coil?
the fuse only pops when you turn the ignition on, right?
if you probe where pin 5 sits, do you get a light (one end of your probe on + and the other on the pin socket of the relay).



if you remove the relay above fuse F10, does the fuse pop?
if you replace that relay with one of the two above it, does that pop the fuse?
I'm going to give that a shot when I get home. If one of the ones above it is off to replace that one will it still fire? Or should I just turn accessories on. But to answer your question. Yes, it pops just by hitting the start button for just accessories on.
 
  #15  
Old 03-09-2018, 08:10 AM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
probe it with ignition/accessory off. I'm basically following that wire RT/GN leaving the relay going to the DME.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...ition/Ckb5kIIu

it feels once the contact makes/closes it shorts to ground making the fuse pop.
 
  #16  
Old 03-09-2018, 10:39 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
probe it with ignition/accessory off. I'm basically following that wire RT/GN leaving the relay going to the DME.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/r...ition/Ckb5kIIu

it feels once the contact makes/closes it shorts to ground making the fuse pop.
Ok, so I played with it a little on my lunch break.

1. I swapped the Relays, put in a fuse for F10 and turned the ignition on... It didn't blow...so then I cranked the car and it fired up but still no spark on cylinder 3. It ran for around 30 seconds then blew the fuse and turned off. I pulled the coil pack and some of the plastic on it was melted....

2. I put in a new coil pack and replaced the blown fuse. Cranked the car and it started but still no spark. BTW the coil pack smells aweful which is probably the burning rubber or plastic.... The car ran for a minute and then I shut it off...No fuses have blown since this... I cranked it a couple more times...still fires up, just not Cylinder 3.

3. Swapped in an OEM Spark plug (I'm running 1422's right now for the tune). Fired it up...still no spark on cylinder 3.

4. I checked the negative battery cable to see if I damage anything moving it out of the way while the ecu was out.... looks to be just fine. I checked the 3 wires on the coil pack wiring...looks fine, from what I can see..

I am at a total loss... The only thing I can think of now is to make sure the grounding wire on the back of the valve cover is making good contact, as advised by a friend of Mario's. It does have some normal looking corrosion on it so I will take it off later and scuff the contact points for the wire and stud it screws into....If this this doesn't work I am going to pull the ECU out and open it up to see if any of the MOFSET chips look damaged or fried.
 
  #17  
Old 03-09-2018, 11:16 AM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
Good feedback....make sure you have continuity all the way to the ECU. Follow the links i sent earlier.

Also to share my story, I bought a 2012 clubman s with front end collision and evrything was fine except for the MAP sensor. The wires were cut and shorted out. I replaced that sensor three times with no luck until i decided to swap ECUs from another 2011 clubman s i had. The code never came back and so i concluded that the ECU had an internal damage. I bought another one and sent it to i guy in IL to clone it. Everything was fine after that.
 
  #18  
Old 03-09-2018, 11:36 AM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
Good feedback....make sure you have continuity all the way to the ECU. Follow the links i sent earlier.

Also to share my story, I bought a 2012 clubman s with front end collision and evrything was fine except for the MAP sensor. The wires were cut and shorted out. I replaced that sensor three times with no luck until i decided to swap ECUs from another 2011 clubman s i had. The code never came back and so i concluded that the ECU had an internal damage. I bought another one and sent it to i guy in IL to clone it. Everything was fine after that.
I'm going to check the main grounding wire on the negative battery terminal too...not sure if me pushing the terminal out of the way somehow loosened that enough to cause an issue.
 
  #19  
Old 03-09-2018, 12:27 PM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
that ground is common for all 4. so if it werent conducting properly, you wouldnt get spark on any coil.

did you clear the codes or disconnect the battery to reset the ECU?
 
  #20  
Old 03-09-2018, 12:30 PM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
that ground is common for all 4. so if it werent conducting properly, you wouldnt get spark on any coil.

did you clear the codes or disconnect the battery to reset the ECU?
Yes I have tried that. I'm thinking its going to end up as a bad DME. I'm going to send my ECU to be flashed to stock and then tow it to the nearest dealer.
 
  #21  
Old 03-09-2018, 12:37 PM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
sounds like a plan...in the meantime, look for a replacement DME with a matching number in case the dealer charges you an arm and leg.

I was able to source a DME and get it cloned for 450 i think.
 
  #22  
Old 03-09-2018, 12:38 PM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
sounds like a plan...in the meantime, look for a replacement DME with a matching number in case the dealer charges you an arm and leg.

I was able to source a DME and get it cloned for 450 i think.

I have 63k on my car so it should be warrantied
 
  #23  
Old 03-09-2018, 07:49 PM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
sounds like a plan...in the meantime, look for a replacement DME with a matching number in case the dealer charges you an arm and leg.

I was able to source a DME and get it cloned for 450 i think.
So I am going to go the route of sourcing a used DME and have it cloned. I talked with the guys from bimmergeeks they said $300 to clone it but didn't have any spare DME's in stock for my car. I need a MEVD1727...ill have to scout eBay
 
  #24  
Old 03-09-2018, 07:53 PM
MiniToBe's Avatar
MiniToBe
MiniToBe is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Philadelphia PA
Posts: 4,330
Received 427 Likes on 393 Posts
You need to match the part number. Also check car-part.com ~_o
 
  #25  
Old 03-09-2018, 07:58 PM
4mikebruns's Avatar
4mikebruns
4mikebruns is offline
Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: NJ
Posts: 184
Received 19 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by MiniToBe
You need to match the part number. Also check car-part.com ~_o
I put in my year make and model on that website but how will I know it has the correct part #?

http://www.car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi
 


Quick Reply: Drivetrain Replace wiring harness



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:23 PM.