Drivetrain Cooling Kit
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I am very satisfied
Last edited by Clutch Wotan; 04-10-2017 at 04:30 AM.
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Sorry for being a bit confused on the concept, just trying to wrap my old-school hot-rod brain around your upgrade. The intercooler upgrade I am good with, FWIW.
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The approach is a PLug & Play Kit for increased power over 300 HP
The Cooper/Cooper S intercooler is changed to the +-25% more efficient JCW one, as the core height is higher you have to use the JCW Radiator as well, which has two additional ports for the remote version, the Cooper S don't have.
In order to make full use of the improved intercooler, you also have to use wider diameter charges hoses, for that i developed the following kit parts
1-Inlet flex - quickfit adaptor
2-Charge tube complete ( with alternative water injection).
So now you have installed the JCW Intercooler. In order to compensate the smaller radiator core, we choose a additional front mount radiator.
As the cooling of the turbo, is water and oil based, both regulated via the water temperature, it is crucial, why would MINI consider this with their expensive wheels house additional cooling ?
The whole issue makes only sense for F56 with over 270 HP and ECU tune, for the normal usage "Burger box" etc you fine with the factory system. additional intercoolers, except some custom versions, makes no sense in term of prices
and performance, as the JCW 13 rows is the best !
The Cooper/Cooper S intercooler is changed to the +-25% more efficient JCW one, as the core height is higher you have to use the JCW Radiator as well, which has two additional ports for the remote version, the Cooper S don't have.
In order to make full use of the improved intercooler, you also have to use wider diameter charges hoses, for that i developed the following kit parts
1-Inlet flex - quickfit adaptor
2-Charge tube complete ( with alternative water injection).
So now you have installed the JCW Intercooler. In order to compensate the smaller radiator core, we choose a additional front mount radiator.
As the cooling of the turbo, is water and oil based, both regulated via the water temperature, it is crucial, why would MINI consider this with their expensive wheels house additional cooling ?
The whole issue makes only sense for F56 with over 270 HP and ECU tune, for the normal usage "Burger box" etc you fine with the factory system. additional intercoolers, except some custom versions, makes no sense in term of prices
and performance, as the JCW 13 rows is the best !
Last edited by Clutch Wotan; 04-12-2017 at 12:19 AM.
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Ok, I have a clearer picture of what you have put together.
The only thing I question is placing the auxiliary radiator directly in front of the main radiator. All the heat rejected out of the aux radiator goes right into the main radiator, which in turn would reduce the overall efficiency of the system. I have a feeling this is the main reason the aux radiator in the JCW is in the wheelhouse, so it is in a different airflow path. Not sure if you are indeed getting the 'bang for the buck' with that aux radiator setup and it might just be enough to simply upgrade to the JCW radiator alone if you are not going for much over the 300hp mark??
The only thing I question is placing the auxiliary radiator directly in front of the main radiator. All the heat rejected out of the aux radiator goes right into the main radiator, which in turn would reduce the overall efficiency of the system. I have a feeling this is the main reason the aux radiator in the JCW is in the wheelhouse, so it is in a different airflow path. Not sure if you are indeed getting the 'bang for the buck' with that aux radiator setup and it might just be enough to simply upgrade to the JCW radiator alone if you are not going for much over the 300hp mark??
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Probably isn't anything 'wrong' with the kit, just wondering if there is a real benefit to the additional radiator or if just the upgraded JCW radiator would be enough for say keeping things below 350hp?
It looks like you take your car to the track, so it would be neat to see the before/after temps running a similar amount of laps in as similar ambient air temps as you can find. I know it would be tough to get 'clinical' numbers on the test, but I would have to think you could get close.
Not knocking your kit, but I have seen too many 'smoke and mirror' claims out on the market without any evidence to back them up, so I always ask questions to satisfy my own curiosity.
It looks like you take your car to the track, so it would be neat to see the before/after temps running a similar amount of laps in as similar ambient air temps as you can find. I know it would be tough to get 'clinical' numbers on the test, but I would have to think you could get close.
Not knocking your kit, but I have seen too many 'smoke and mirror' claims out on the market without any evidence to back them up, so I always ask questions to satisfy my own curiosity.
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You right, that the JCW radiator itself can do it. Considering that it has a denser fin pack, and the overall calculation includes automatic, hot countries.
But my solution looks hotter and will be for sure tested for the track !
Is the intercooler disputable and goes also under additional "catch tanks" ?
Would you buy a kit like that for +/- US 666 ?
OEM JCW/ Radiator ( supplied with 2 plugs to close)
OEM JCW Intercooler
Hose Kit
as option:
Remote Radiator with piping
Would you see a further "race-intercooler" option with higher depth 140mm on top of the jwc 120mm (Cooper S 100mm) as worth anything ?
But my solution looks hotter and will be for sure tested for the track !
Is the intercooler disputable and goes also under additional "catch tanks" ?
Would you buy a kit like that for +/- US 666 ?
OEM JCW/ Radiator ( supplied with 2 plugs to close)
OEM JCW Intercooler
Hose Kit
as option:
Remote Radiator with piping
Would you see a further "race-intercooler" option with higher depth 140mm on top of the jwc 120mm (Cooper S 100mm) as worth anything ?
Last edited by Clutch Wotan; 04-12-2017 at 10:05 PM.
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Ok, I have a clearer picture of what you have put together.
The only thing I question is placing the auxiliary radiator directly in front of the main radiator. All the heat rejected out of the aux radiator goes right into the main radiator, which in turn would reduce the overall efficiency of the system. I have a feeling this is the main reason the aux radiator in the JCW is in the wheelhouse, so it is in a different airflow path. Not sure if you are indeed getting the 'bang for the buck' with that aux radiator setup and it might just be enough to simply upgrade to the JCW radiator alone if you are not going for much over the 300hp mark??
The only thing I question is placing the auxiliary radiator directly in front of the main radiator. All the heat rejected out of the aux radiator goes right into the main radiator, which in turn would reduce the overall efficiency of the system. I have a feeling this is the main reason the aux radiator in the JCW is in the wheelhouse, so it is in a different airflow path. Not sure if you are indeed getting the 'bang for the buck' with that aux radiator setup and it might just be enough to simply upgrade to the JCW radiator alone if you are not going for much over the 300hp mark??
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As a matter of interest the remote radiator for the JCW has been deleted :-) the saved money goes into new 3D printed personal cup holders (MINI Yours)
https://www.mini-f56-forum.de/index....g/?thumbnail=1
A tricky move, makes tuning on JCW difficult, if nothing else (radiator core depth) has been changed the heat window becomes closer.
https://www.mini-f56-forum.de/index....g/?thumbnail=1
A tricky move, makes tuning on JCW difficult, if nothing else (radiator core depth) has been changed the heat window becomes closer.
Last edited by Clutch Wotan; 01-31-2018 at 10:24 AM.
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