Drivetrain Success of Manic Tune over OBD
I guess you didn't look hard enough... :0) look about 3 posts up. There is also a thread for manic on the east coast.
Removing the cat may gain a bit of power but in CA and a few other states there is this to contend with .
According to Title II of the EPA Clean Air Act (Enacted Jan 1 1988) there are multiple regulations concerning the use or misuse of aftermarket catalytic converters, or the removal and/or modification of a stock catalytic converter. According to various parts of Section 203, all aftermarket catalytic converters must be EPA certified, and your car must have a gas conversion device of some manner. If not, both you and the installer are punishable of a Federal Offense by Section 205 (a). The operator's fine can be no more than $2,500 and the installation agency no more than $25,000.
According to Title II of the EPA Clean Air Act (Enacted Jan 1 1988) there are multiple regulations concerning the use or misuse of aftermarket catalytic converters, or the removal and/or modification of a stock catalytic converter. According to various parts of Section 203, all aftermarket catalytic converters must be EPA certified, and your car must have a gas conversion device of some manner. If not, both you and the installer are punishable of a Federal Offense by Section 205 (a). The operator's fine can be no more than $2,500 and the installation agency no more than $25,000.
and you wouldnt get caught and asked to pop your hood to begin with if you were not driving like an *** and/or street racing
I ran full bolt ons on my 370z for almost a year(sold the car before) and i never got caught, my exhaust was loud as ****(130+db), i had no cats, and I had illegal intakes and to top it all off, i was pulled over for running a red light(accidentally) with all these mods, no front plate, tinted windows, and the cop who pulled me over didnt pop my hood or write me up for anything else i had that was illegal in the state of california
Just curious, considering the failure rates of the CMA4 clutches if you feel this will be an issue.
Really good! I have been itching to switch over the race map 'C' for a few months now. I was finally able to do it this morning being I got the meth spray working properly last night. Man! It feels like a totally different Mini now! It pulls real hard on the top end and I noticed most of the difference (so far with my limited drive) ripping threw 1-2-3. From what I saw on my quick run was 22PSI and the AFR seems to be about 11.9 which is awesome. Not running out of fuel with the meth spraying.
With map 'B' it was about 10 ign. timing advance at redline in 4th. The A/F's were 11.8 or so and the IAT's were 5-10 deg above ambient.
I will take some logs of map 'C' then switch back to map 'B' .... log there and post up the logs.
Edit - Just went out and did a 3rd gear pull on map 'C'. Was seeing 22psi, 11.9 A/F and 11.5-12 timeing advance at redline.
With map 'B' it was about 10 ign. timing advance at redline in 4th. The A/F's were 11.8 or so and the IAT's were 5-10 deg above ambient.
I will take some logs of map 'C' then switch back to map 'B' .... log there and post up the logs.
Edit - Just went out and did a 3rd gear pull on map 'C'. Was seeing 22psi, 11.9 A/F and 11.5-12 timeing advance at redline.
Last edited by CPap; Aug 5, 2014 at 10:14 AM.
All our GP2's are doing great still. They just did a 100 degree track day last month and are doing another this month. They are still using map B since the added power is throwing off their gear choices. Straights that used to top out in 3rd gear are now 4th gear straights. Even in the heat they shaved 2 seconds off their prior times. Typical lap time is 1:07 on this particular course so 2 seconds is pretty solid gain.
Really good! I have been itching to switch over the race map 'C' for a few months now. I was finally able to do it this morning being I got the meth spray working properly last night. Man! It feels like a totally different Mini now! It pulls real hard on the top end and I noticed most of the difference (so far with my limited drive) ripping threw 1-2-3. From what I saw on my quick run was 22PSI and the AFR seems to be about 11.9 which is awesome. Not running out of fuel with the meth spraying.
With map 'B' it was about 10 ign. timing advance at redline in 4th. The A/F's were 11.8 or so and the IAT's were 5-10 deg above ambient.
I will take some logs of map 'C' then switch back to map 'B' .... log there and post up the logs.
Edit - Just went out and did a 3rd gear pull on map 'C'. Was seeing 22psi, 11.9 A/F and 11.5-12 timeing advance at redline.
With map 'B' it was about 10 ign. timing advance at redline in 4th. The A/F's were 11.8 or so and the IAT's were 5-10 deg above ambient.
I will take some logs of map 'C' then switch back to map 'B' .... log there and post up the logs.
Edit - Just went out and did a 3rd gear pull on map 'C'. Was seeing 22psi, 11.9 A/F and 11.5-12 timeing advance at redline.
Wow that sounds amazing. It pulls super hard on my stock turbo on Map C. I was able to hit 153mph without a problem. For sure it will do 160mph. I wonder what its going to be like when I get an E45. The torque must feel great because it doesn't taper off. Torque all the way to redline.
I don't believe that the E45 will give you much more than you already have, I have heard that it's difficult to get more boost out of the E45 without fighting the DME. Stick with your stock turbo because you're not going to see more than 22psi period, the ECU's limit is 22psi.
Yes, the PSI max has everything to do with the turbo. With the right turbo and a tune, Manic theoretically should be able to tune the ECU to any boost you want. Of course with properly supporting mods as well.
Edit - One limitation I know of on a regular S model are the map sensors. They only see up to 22 psi. I believe you can put the JCW ones in and have manic tune around them for higher boost.
Last edited by CPap; Aug 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM.
http://www.manicmini.com/dealer-map/4586066233
They finally got the dealer map up on their website. looks like you have 2 on the east coast.
http://www.manicmini.com/dealer-map/4586066233
http://www.manicmini.com/dealer-map/4586066233
This is awesome, Only 4hrs from me. Something tells me it's time for a Road Trip!!!

But whats with the $100 Labor charge. Seems like its going to Cost $800 plus tax and shipping if Mailed in, or more if Driven, due to mileage. Id think that the $500 was labor inclusive for the service. Oh well...
Last edited by Roxspin72; Aug 19, 2014 at 10:20 AM.
This is awesome, Only 4hrs from me. Something tells me it's time for a Road Trip!!!
But whats with the $100 Labor charge. Seems like its going to Cost $800 plus tax and shipping if Mailed in, or more if Driven, due to mileage. Id think that the $500 was labor inclusive for the service. Oh well...

But whats with the $100 Labor charge. Seems like its going to Cost $800 plus tax and shipping if Mailed in, or more if Driven, due to mileage. Id think that the $500 was labor inclusive for the service. Oh well...
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
This is awesome, Only 4hrs from me. Something tells me it's time for a Road Trip!!!
But whats with the $100 Labor charge. Seems like its going to Cost $800 plus tax and shipping if Mailed in, or more if Driven, due to mileage. Id think that the $500 was labor inclusive for the service. Oh well...

But whats with the $100 Labor charge. Seems like its going to Cost $800 plus tax and shipping if Mailed in, or more if Driven, due to mileage. Id think that the $500 was labor inclusive for the service. Oh well...
They finally got the dealer map up on their website. looks like you have 2 on the east coast.
http://www.manicmini.com/dealer-map/4586066233
http://www.manicmini.com/dealer-map/4586066233

I have heard that Manic can tune your Mini to run cooler (ECU-thermostat), question is how much cooler than my Mini's 222- 226*F? I didn't see anything on the home page about running cooler.
LOL, dont worry. You are still on the top of my list. Just looking for back up plans, pending your decision from our last conversation. I mean, if Im going to ship, might as well be someone I dealt with in the past. Keep me posted...
Yeah that threw me off. If I drove all the way up I have to pay $100 for them to plug into my OBD port and hit Run
Why is your MINI running that high of a Temp? Mine runs at 185* when in Sport mode.

Why is your MINI running that high of a Temp? Mine runs at 185* when in Sport mode.
He is changing fan trigger points, the thermostat still operates as thermostat does on normal cars. They are still mechanical , the programming just changes when they kick the fan on and when it turns off.
He's not opening the thermostat early or anything crazy.
so, yes he can make your car run cooler. Similar to the way the sport button changes fan strategy on the new N18's.
He's not opening the thermostat early or anything crazy.
so, yes he can make your car run cooler. Similar to the way the sport button changes fan strategy on the new N18's.
He is changing fan trigger points, the thermostat still operates as thermostat does on normal cars. They are still mechanical , the programming just changes when they kick the fan on and when it turns off.
He's not opening the thermostat early or anything crazy.
so, yes he can make your car run cooler. Similar to the way the sport button changes fan strategy on the new N18's.
He's not opening the thermostat early or anything crazy.
so, yes he can make your car run cooler. Similar to the way the sport button changes fan strategy on the new N18's.
LOL, dont worry. You are still on the top of my list. Just looking for back up plans, pending your decision from our last conversation. I mean, if Im going to ship, might as well be someone I dealt with in the past. Keep me posted...
Yeah that threw me off. If I drove all the way up I have to pay $100 for them to plug into my OBD port and hit Run
Why is your MINI running that high of a Temp? Mine runs at 185* when in Sport mode.
Yeah that threw me off. If I drove all the way up I have to pay $100 for them to plug into my OBD port and hit Run

Why is your MINI running that high of a Temp? Mine runs at 185* when in Sport mode.
He is changing fan trigger points, the thermostat still operates as thermostat does on normal cars. They are still mechanical , the programming just changes when they kick the fan on and when it turns off.
He's not opening the thermostat early or anything crazy.
so, yes he can make your car run cooler. Similar to the way the sport button changes fan strategy on the new N18's.
He's not opening the thermostat early or anything crazy.
so, yes he can make your car run cooler. Similar to the way the sport button changes fan strategy on the new N18's.







