All that matters is they can feel it in their butt dyno.


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$529.95

Just install a great mod like a cold air intake? Electric supercharger? Big Muffler? Magnetic fuel line ionizer? Awesome wing? Are you getting no respect from your friends for your newly found power? As we all know, these are high end and sophisticated modifications. Some may be TOO sophisticated to actually show up on a traditional dyno. So here we have: The Butt Dyno. Simply place it in the seat, and drive fast, weaving in and out of traffic. (On a race course, of course.) Now you can tell your friends with confidence "That oil-saturated air filter gave me 20 horses!"

 

Butt Dyno......come on folks
There are so many factors involved but real numbers give one a realistic starting point.
Yes there is drivability and torque steer issues but what does that have to do with what we are after?????
We want results; verified and quantified. This what testing and proving is all about.
This comes with the territory. How can one just accept ones claim for power without proof?
I work in the car repair business and one must always verify info., empirically. By the "butt" does not cut it. Wheel spin.....learn how to drive... I never hear F1 drivers complain about wheel spin.
It's up to us together to figure out what works. I'm not gonna trust someones butt to tell me what's happening.
Please just give me proven facts & figures. Not your "seat of the pants" feelings.
This is science; plain and simple.

 

I guess you did not see my humor.

 

Sorry, I was not aimed at your post. I think it speaks to my point and I find it funny!!!
Just tired of all the nonsense I read on these posts.

 

Just everyone getting desperate for an OBD style tune.

But yes Braminator, that is a winning post lmao!

 

Hmmmm,
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...race-chip.html

 

Wow, I'm glad nothing gets by the Gen 2 NAMers. Reminds me of the early NAM days when snake oil vendors came and went and only the genuine stayed. (a few good ones went too) I got to see some Gen 1 can tunes actually produce less than stock on the dyno and seen the the Piggyback tunes fail come back and fail away quietly again.

 

A new Mini member here so just reading threads/post and this one got my attention.

A performance fellow here so that's why I am interested.

 

RaceChip update. Scott at MINIDynamics and I, have had several conversations since my post on 5/1/13. Couple of issues were IDed. The code sent from RaceChip in Germany that everyone, including RaceChip, thought was for N18 ended up being N14 spec. RaceChip and MINIDynamics immediately fixed it and Scott got a replacement RaceChip to me ASAP. A few days ago Scott called me back and let me know there was a translation error with the settings for the new N18 version of the RaceChip. I grabbed a T10 torx and and a tweak of the dial later, fixed.

After looking at the dyno from 5/1/13 it looks like both graphs were with the N14 chip installed and "on". There were several pulls that were lower and I'm guessing he picked the wrong pull for chip "off". A JCW is speced at 208 HP at the crank. Looked around the net and didn't see a clean stock N18 JCW dyno but autos are estimated to be 15% lower WHP than crank. So lets call it 178-187 WHP (10-15% loss). The tech did multiple pulls including some in the 170-190 range last month that he didn't print.

I waited to post/update until I had a chance to get the MINI back on a dyno. Different dyno but both were DynoJet.

2013 MINI Cooper JCW Coupe: R58, auto trans, Atla CAI, Atla FMIC, RaceChip Ultimate, 93 gas. 212 WHP, 216 FT/LBS. The dyno chart is posted. On one of the pulls the air/fuel sensor blew out of the exhaust so bogus air/fuel graph for that one.

So car still hasn't blown up, and is running great. Based on the above let's call it +30 WHP. Still happy and RaceChip is staying on the MINI.

 

I had a long response in mind but it's just not worth it. I'm glad you're happy, I really am but honestly, I hope everyone else takes a lesson from this thread and avoids this company/product like the plague. I can't imagine plugging that thing in to my car.

 

So I guess I'd rather you had made that long response? I'm sorry you obviously have been burned by crappy vendors in the past. So have I, but at this point I'm totally satisfied with how both MINI Dynamics and RaceChip have handled the issues we have discovered.

Guess I don't see any lesson that would prompt you to tell people to avoid the product. Unless you are talking about a US distributer that stands behind their product and provides good customer service? Or maybe a vendor that actually admits they made an error and takes action to make it right and expedite the resolution? Wish more companies would relearn how to provide good customer service in todays market.

The dyno from this morning did nothing but validate what I felt the car was doing.

 

Congrats that your happy with your tune!



I'm getting mine sometime this month after one more mod then I will post dyno runs to match with my ECU tune. Curious to see if any similarities.

 

Clearly. And as I stated, I'm glad you're happy with it. I have no interest in debating this with you. You've stated you're happy and that's great. You're not going to change my opinion and I'm not trying to change yours.

They made a pile of missteps starting with shipping a product with "code" on it for a completely different engine than the one it was meant for. That alone is reason to never do business with them. It shows a lack of attention to detail that is beyond disturbing. This isn't a toy, it's a component that interacts with a car's ECU. If something goes wrong with that very bad things can happen. In my opinion, that level of mistake is unacceptable and it's not the only mistake they made, just the first of them.

 

1st off I want to say the other member likes his new part and that is great.

But ...........

I'm with you on this if a person hooked that up and Fried their New Mini engine I bet that company is and was not going to Replace it.
Can I state that as a fact, no, but just a gut feeling.

I think this is just one of those deals where the company is small and does not thoroughly (Pre-Test) what they sale to the Public.

They are certainly not the only company that has done this sort of thing.

In my case I will pass !!!

But once again I'm glad it has worked out for the member that does have it.

 

Wouldn't expect them to. Any more than anyone doing a bench tune would expect the company that did their tune to replace a blown engine. I don't know anyone with a blown engine that has a RaceChip. Do you know anyone with a bench tune with a blown engine that the tuner replaced their engine? Or any after market part for that mater?

You don't want to buy a RaceChip great! No one is twisting your arm.

I see a growing number of people that are happy with their RaceChip and no one complaining except people that don't have RaceChips. Makes you wonder?

 

This is one of those times that in my case I should probably have not even voiced my comments.

Your happy and that is really all that is important.

It is up to me and the rest of the members to do as they think best.

Once again since you have no way of knowing who I am it would be easy to take me as a (Negative-Poster).
I'm not in anyway but have had all kinds of high performance cars over my 66 yrs.

Enjoy your new Mod.

 

Sounds like its too late on the debate part...LOL

We can just pretend you got the last word in and I didn't respond if it makes you feel better.

 

Martin, he didn't take a stab at you. Everyone won't agree on this product.

It's like my opinion on Alta's products, I hate them all.

We are glad your happy that the RaceChip works for you! Enjoy it :-)

 

I already told you Alta products are the best, stop ragging on them.

 

So this has already gotten old. You don't want a RaceChip don't buy one.
You want more data logging then buy one and capture the data you want.
You want another option to get something more for you N18 or other engines/models do your research and make up your own mind.

Just sad that some of the people around here get stuck in the past just because there were problems with brand x back in the day. Or they knew some one that they heard say something else. Wonder how many of those folks are affiliated with some of the N18 bench tuners that are still having problems?

You can throw a brand out with little justification or think a little outside the box. No one will change someone's mind once they make a decision wrong or right.

I guarantee there will be more people buying RaceChips Ultimates for their MINIs and be happy with the decision regardless of the brand bash that goes on here.

Now sleep...

 

Lmfao:-P

 

Man, didn't realize people take such an offense because they don't have the same product as them. I'm not hating on this product, I choose to go a different route to get more power. That's my goal. Obviously your goal was whatever you had on your dyno.

Everyone has different goals in mind for what they expect or want. I want 205whp/230wtq for the track this summer.

Again, just relax, people will always be negative Martin. Ignore it, you got the best for your money.

Let us know when you add more mods and after you dyno it.

 

How increase in torque did you get?


I'm surprised the little thing actually gave 30 whp extra...right on man!

 

See, this is why some of us post to threads like this. To keep misinformation like this from floating around. There's no evidence that there was a 30 whp gain. That was a guess that he made and I would refer anyone who cares to the various stock dynojet charts in this thread. You can use the information there to draw your own conclusions. (https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...n18-minis.html).

Every dyno is different even two Dynojets aren't going to give you the same numbers. To really know what a change has done you need to do before and after on the same dyno and really it should be done on the same day to minimize environmental differences. That said, you should be able to at least get a reasonable ballpark idea comparing like model dynos (ie - two different Dynojets). A stock CMS (N18) pulls 170 whp on a Dynojet (see other thread). A stock JCW will pull higher. The one I happened to find was an All4 JCW so take with an extra grain of salt but that one on PAW's Dynojet pulled 193 stock.

I have to admit that I'm vaguely curious as to why one would take the car to a dyno and, given how simple it is to remove the RaceChip, why not do it right and get the stock "before" as well as the "after"? If you're going to go to the trouble of putting it on the dyno that just makes sense to me.

Also, earlier in this thread you said...
I agree with Braminator that that sounds high to me but I'll take you at your word that that's what the dyno showed. So you gained 4hp? That's better than losing 5, that's for sure!

In all seriousness, I and others would love to see actual data without and then with the RaceChip installed.

 

Was just trying to make him feel better, everybody is giving him a hard time.

Let him enjoy the thing. We all know we aren't going to get it lol

You must really having something against this product lol