Well said and I will second everything you said.

I'll also add, as someone who saw first hand the testing done by RMW; that the prototype and workmanship provided by Sprintex fell far short of expectations. Knowing that much time and expense was being put forth by many to make a good showing at the UTCC and that a major motorsports magazine was going to cover it there, Sprintex and or it's representatives provided, in this humble reviewers opinion; an extremely **** poor unit, both in workmanship and function. So much so that it is no wonder that RMW decided there was no reason to go forward with the project.

Hopefully the new units that are being sold are light years ahead of the one provided for testing. 2 cents.

 

Davis, All due respect here, but the entire issue is that this is not a thread about the RMW Spintex. This thread has nothing to do with RMW, but for the fact that once again Jan is here continually bashing a product that RMW does not "sell". Jan can, and has started his own thread on his Spintex experiences, I don't see why at all he needs to always come into other's threads and throw them off course.
I find it interesting that Jan does not want to sell you the Rotex and wants you to wait for yet another great "new" product to come into production. I gather as much as Jan is claiming how much better "his" rotex is, he is not selling them to anyone. It's business as usual here. No one would be even mentioning Jan if he would just stay out of these threads, the ones that don't make him money that is.
Hey, I'll be in your city next week. I'll keep an eye out for your sweet looking Mini. ;-)

 

Mark, again, ...what does the failure of the RMW and Spintex relationship have to do with this thread what so ever? We get it, over and over again. Jan could not make the relationship work and his experience here was a fail. It seems that Spintex, with the help of the right people, got this project back on track.

 

....does this mean that your coffee table will soon be sporting a shiny new Sprintex SC??

 

Well, the thread title is "Sprintex Blower."

Considering how much effort RMW put into the Sprintex, RMW's involvement is pertinent to the thread, IMHO. Granted, Jan is a bull in a China shop at times, but given what has gone on with the development, a word of caution really isn't inappropriate, until more data is out there. There are concerns, depending on application.

While I understand the preception that anything that isn't RMW is bad mouthed by RMW followers, sometimes unfairly, the opposite also holds true; there are instances where anything RMW says is bashed simply because Jan said it, despite that it may in fact be a fair warning. Anyone seriously looking at the Sprintex may want to know a little bit about the history of it's development; I know I sure would, as a potential buyer. On the other hand, by the looks of the thread, there are those that simply don't want to here about any potential issues. I think that's a mistake, but that's just me.

Richard has a great thread that is specific to his car, which more recently has a ton of posts about the Sprintex. I read that thread out of interest, to see how he's getting along, and hoping he get's it going to his satisfaction, it's really a cool project he's undertaken and I enjoy reading it. I would never post in that thread about concerns about the Sprintex in that thread, and no one else has either--it WOULD be inappropriate there.

But a thread titled "Sprintex Blower"? That's fair game, until it's retitled:
"Sprintex Blower: Positive impressions only with posts by people using only their real names and not flipping people of subliminally in pictures".

 

Most all companys no matter what industry has had hits and misses. Most learn from their failures and make the appropriate changes. It sounds like that may have been Sprintex's story. Its like not buying a coke today because you didn't like new coke back in the 80's.

 

Point's taken CCT1. There are some people who are bound to hate on eachother, just because it is a compeditive buisness, and one wrong move could spell disaster for a small company. I do belive however that to take someone elses thread, and try to dispell any good out of a new product just because you have some experiance with a prototype that was cobbled togeather out of scrap, is just worstening their immage. Yes I understand that Jan has the Rotrex S/C, and he needs to market that, but this thread is NOT about the Rotrex. It is about a S/C kit aimed at the public, not for just track use, or people who are on his Christmas card list.

The Sprintex is working verry well on my car and others. Paul Webster is using the Sprintex in drag racing already, and I'm sure that sooner or later somebody will throw one on their road course car. On the street even in verry spirited driving, I can tell you that this kit does what is advertised. My I/C temps have gone down, and dont get hot as quickly as the M45, I have gained a verry noticable amount of power at the same boost level, and instalation was simple and straight foreward with no need for a fully built motor.

To me it looks like WE are WINNING!

 

you can lead horses to water..........
you just can't necessarily make them drink............

 

See it's stuff like that that makes people not like you. Stop filling other's threads with un needed and senceless comments. If you have something to say just come on out with it, we are mostly all grownup's here.

 

sometimes the truth hurts more than drinking tainted water

 

Seriously, are you an 8 year old girl? I think its time you pack up your tea set and move on to another thread.

 

I agree and disagree.. do a few searches of Jan's posts and see where he is a bully for marketing rather than a businessman. I too don't post in Jan's RMW product "this" threads, but that obviously doesn't hold true to him. I do agree that Jan has some acceptable input on this topic, but <edited by moderator; name-calling removed>. And its a rarity when Jans input is actually something of substance rather than a post meant to obscure the real answers. Then he sits in timeout for awhile just watching and then gets his buddies to swarm in to stir up the conversation back off topic and in the direction he wants. Sooo after years of this same behavior, repeating over and over (just do a search on RMW posts in this forum and you'll see plenty of examples) how can you blame someone for calling him out on it when we see it time and time again? Bah, Ive bought into it now and am knocking this thread off topic. Might need a new thread to discuss this behavior of Jans

 

Ease off boys...ease off. Get a good nights sleep and time will tell if the Sprintex makes it or not. If it does make it then there are a bunch who may have to eat a little crow. If it doesn't then RMW can "crow". In the end we'll all be better off except those of us who can't pass that damn "interview" nor get a definite price on that Rotrex. A very interesting twist on "marketing"!!

 

Where can I get a REAL quote of how much a Rotrex is going to cost? People have just crazy numbers floating around and guessing. How much does it REALLY cost? I ask as I really am interested in one of the two kits. This is a big deciding factor of if I build my own or buy a built MINI again...

 

its very simple to get a quote.........you call

 

Fair enough, Jan does go over the top on occasion (but to be fair, it's not limited to just Jan; just look what else has gone on in this thread, with the one finger salute, and all the aliases floating around here you'd think it was a major covert operation sponsored by the CIA) won't argue that, I think it's a residual from 6 or 7 years ago when things were REALLY nasty between tuners and vendors. Now they're just KINDA nasty.

One thing though, he is really in a no win situation. If he feels that there is a legitimate issue with a blower that RMW extensively tested at the track, and doesn't say anything, and people have issues with the Sprintex, a number of folks are going to jump all over his back for not speaking up.

And if he does say anything--and yes, maybe that could be done more tactfully, but then again, there would go half the fun of the boards everyone jumps on him for bashing a competitors product.

But yes, after awhile all this grows tiresome. The warnings have been given, the Sprintex's have gone on cars, now we just have to wait and see how the chips fall. It looks like Richard has gotten his setup working, and is happy with it, so there's that. And he's data logging, so we should get an indication on how this will work over an extended period of time.

I'm to a point where all I want to see is some more data on the Sprintex, especially what it does for extended periods of time on the track, and some data on how well it works with a BVH.

 

I'd love to be the one to experiment with the BVH issue but I'm @ least 3 months away from doing my s/c replacement. (hopefully)

So in summation:

@ this point in time 06/03/11 @ 12:10am cst. The prototype did not work and the Production unit seems to be working fine.

In 10 pages thats pretty much all we can say.

Oh, and that the "Kit" is a complete and viable bolt on replacement. (at this time. )

 

Is there 100% confirmation on this ?! For the last 2-3 yrs its has been "ohh later this year" concerning the thing, and even Jan himself for a long time was pretty set on it never materializing.

P.S. Jen, how about POST an actual price for JUST the rotrex kit. A basic price for the "basic" kit. Sure would settle a lot of the fire concerning such...

 

what you are trying to compare is a low boost sprintex doing fun runs vs a high strung sprintex ON THE RACE TRACK in 100deg heat. If you consider that a comparative test, then by all means this "new" sprintex has it all licked Ask yourself one quick question........why no warranty if you change the pulley?



100%

 

Does the stock Eaton still get warranty when you throw a 15% pulley on it? NO. Doesn't seem farfetched to me that they pull the warranty with a reduction pulley. You want more power, it's at your own risk. Jan, do you warranty ALL of your motor work?

 

Let's keep it on topic and keep the discourse respectful. If the poor behavior continues, the thread will be locked.

 

I love this thread

I for one am not taken aback by Jan's presence; his voracity to defend his products and what everyone seems to take as bias approach against Sprintex. I guess the question is, is he trying to promote his products by bringing down others or is he simply attempting to warn people of something he was excited to test but just did not warrant his approval? Is his dislike for Sprintex even relevant at this point since the new production version is much different than the prototype? Whatever it is, it's always good to hear the other side. Keep in mind that Jan is probably one of the few people in this community that's had first hand experience with this product. Lord knows how many modifications released in the aftermarket industry are purely hype. Take his, along with Richard's first hand experience in consideration - simple as that.

I don't know, maybe this whole thing doesn't phase me because I came from the Evolution and Subaru world. The constant battle in those forums makes this thread look kindergarten This hobby of ours, trying to go as fast as you can, is bred from a very competitive spirit. Forum discussions and vendor talks are not exempt from that. I guess what I'm trying to say is, let's not get butt hurt when Jan is trying to prove his point.

DG - I hate your screen name btw. Every time I type it out the forum filter drops **** on it.

 

You do realize that is what some people want right?

 

I think it should stay open....... I just think people like yourself should stay out of it, You have no data on MY car or the sprintex.

FWIW

 

Just my humble opinion... reiterated.

The way this thread is going it's not going to be worth reading anymore anyway, regardless of whether it's kept open.