I am interested to know how a 210hp'd (flywheel power) MCS (longer gear ratio's) would stand against a 'standard' GP in a drag race? Ive heard stories of the mcs coming out quicker on top because of the longer gear ratio's and very similar power? is this possible?

 

the only way having longer gear ratio's help is if you are racing to a set speed (aka 0-60mph) and the shorter gears require an extra shift. It can also come into play in the 1/4 but it would have to cause the shorter geared car to shift right at the end.
IMO shorter gears are usually better

 

It would depend on the MODs for the MCS......You can compensate for the taller gears with bolt on's and ECU upgrades.

 

GP's are also much lighter, have bigger intercoolers, and are more of a hand built mini....think of it as an "M" or "AMG" mini of sorts... Like a porche gt3 option...more of a race ready car...head is ported and polished etc I think. Since weight is so important in hard acceleration, if you removed the rear seats, sound dampening, a/c, radio, carpets, etc...you might be able to match the gp weight wise....level the field a bit, but the gp with the bells and whistles would still do a better 1/4 mile I think....if you got a cam and big valve head...and lightened the car....that would be a race!! I say that cause the gp is faster than a works car, and that is also 210...possible to do the upgrade with the shorter grears of a pre 05 to....

 

How much does a GP weigh?

 

head, cam and tune alone will destroy GP, I think
They aren't much lighter either..

 

C'mon ZIP ! I really like the GP's too, but removing the back seat, and some cosmetics doesn't quite equate the same as making a MB into an Luxury Sport Model AMG

Both the JCW and GP share the same IC and even the same Supercharger and transmission. And compared to the JCW it is a stripped model, no back seats and only 8 more HP and 88 lbs less weight. All of which can be achieved and more with bolt on parts and tossing out some extras like rear wiper/seats/bracket/lighter wheels, no frills......

 

I didn't say I loved the concept...just said a 210 hp s would loose in a 1/4 to a 88lb lighther, 218hp, shorter greared GP.
Okok...not like An AMG, but as clse as mini made in gen1.....IMO the gp might be a good garage queen car, but not a great dailydriver....it is wh it is....the fastest factory mini gen1. Till you mod above the 220 hp mark....your are not gonna beat one in a drag of less than a mile....but we all can dream....can't we!!!

 

the gp has a bigger intercooler...

 

Depends on what mods the GP has?
Different intercooler.

 

yes that's right, it is a little wider from front to back. I do like the concept and hope maybe someday they have a do over, but since they added the JCW WC50, Arden Special, and now the Rolls and Mayfair, not sure if that will ever happen.

 

Mods: 17% pulley, header, exhaust, ecu tune, bigger cooler

I understand the GP weighs lighter, but it isnt that much..what if the gp has a heavier driver and the mcs a much lighter driver ?

I also think that possibly in a 400m the race would either be dead even or gp ahead, but what if this distance had to increase, say 800m or 1.2km ?

Would it not be an advantage to the MCS as it will continue to be in the power band for longer periods where the GP has more shifts to complete?

 

In a 400M race tires would mean more than a small difference of modifications because a car that can grip better off the line and during the 1-2 up shift will most likely win.

Like I said in the first post, unless the shorter gears require an extra shift near the finish line they will be faster. With our linear power-band (usually), the higher your rev's stay the better.

 

are we also forgetting that he GP has LSD?

so whats the verdict of this scenario?

 

Don't forget those red mirror caps = FAST!

The GP is a very nice car, but certainly a lot of money for what it is (my .02). I see no reason why a Cooper S with the right mods couldn't win a race against a GP (closed course professional driver, yada yada yada).

 

The question was could a 210 HP S beast a GP.....the GP has 218HP, and Lower weight.....by 88 pounds......
Now if the S had 240 HP.....even with 230.......no reason it could not beat it, but to have a car with less HP and higher weight....not much of a contest....even with the gearing IMO. Weight in a drag race in very important....so if the S was 100 lighter....still with 210 HP, that would be close!!

 

A whole lot of who wins a race is driver dependent. I'm not a drag racer, but on a road course I can say that is very true & it likely is on a drag strip too.

 

most definitely it would be a drivers race. You mess up the launch and you are done.

 

yup, definitely the driver. but makes sense that a lighter car with more hp would win.

 

I have a 05 MCS and I will spank any stock GP.

I have the GP intercooler, LSD, RMW Head, Header, Cam, RMW tune, Miltek, Rear seat Delete = No Back seat (70 + lbs loss)

The big deal will the GP is you can not get them now and they where a limited addition car. Yes they where purpose built factory race toys for the public but then again so is my Mini now. Also I do not have to worry about lowing the value of my limited edition GP by modding it. My S in mine and I can do what ever I what to it with and spank any stock GP, M3, or getto modded Honda.
Hell I can even hold my own against an M5.

See you at the Dragon party people.

 

an e60m5? or e39? If the m5 is in the wrong gearing I can do good against him (my friend was in 3rd and i was in 2nd), but the right gearing (when he was in second too) its just a good old fashion a5s whoopin...lol...

 

There is no way you can beat an E46 or E92 M3. You talk like you have a [content removed], but man you have 245whp in a 2550lb car. Thats a twig. Now if you have a Lotus Exige with 245whp, then you have a chance (~450lbs less than our cars) .
Show me a video and time slip of you running a 13.3 1/4 or better. Thats about what an E46 runs. E92's are around 12.7

 

You can have ALL kinds of scenarios but STOCK 04 MCS vs. STOCK 06 MCS JCW vs. STOCK 06 GP. The GP would win! I had 03 MCS stock before and even after I modded it did not compare to GP. While shopping for GP, I drove a handful of STOCK 05 and 06 JCW pretty hard too. And gotta say once I first drove the STOCK GP in Las Vegas summer heat it pulled harder than JCW. Recently test drove stock MCS both pre & aft 04 and was not really that impressed anymore. Although a moded GP with older gearing would be somthing.

 

I would disagree with you there, as I can keep up with a E46. Chili Mini PA's got another 20whp over me. Bye, bye e46!

 

are you saying that you took one from a roll or raced one at a drag strip/from a dig? Its just hard to believe that from a dig its possible without slicks. But if someone has a video showing other wise thats cool too.