As the title say's which meth kit would be best for DD Mini ?

 

it all depends on how much your willing to pay..

for progressive kits: Alky, Snow Performance, Coolingmist and DO all makes similar systems..best for DD IMO

if you want to go all out (money no question) : then Aquamist

 

RMW just released their kit which is very good, but I think you would need a tune to go along with it because it is based on injector duty rather than boost level.

 

when people are referring to the rmw meth kit i assume its the hsv aquamist kit right?

OR its something that JB developed from scratch...lemme know ; )

 

I have no clue...so lets try to keep this on topic

 

So why is the Aquamist so much more ?

 

ok doc...so i standby what ive said...go for a progressive boost kit for a DD/trackdays (Devil's own, coolingmist, alky control, snow perf all make very good meth kits)

Or go for aquamist if its for a racecar...(most expensive but suppose to be the best (caviat - if u tune for meth))

 

I honestly dont know if they are the same or not...I take it progressive means based on boost level?

 

So if your running the aquamist you need to tune for it which I would guess means you can not run out without possible problems, right?

 

aquamist injects meth/water based on fuel injector duty cycles....n the rest injects progressively based on min n max boost settings (eg. Min spray @ 6psi n max spray @ 15psi..)

So, to answer ure question the aquamist kit is very complex system...but as i said...the best out there..However...imo overkill for DD

 

FALSE...you dont have to b tuned for ANY meth kit...but to get the benefits of more POWER, then you have to tune for it...

as for the aquamist, if you dont tune for it...you will have very small gains (0-5hp) hence your not fully utilising the kit (note that this kit costs more then USD$1000)....but the downside by tuning for meth is that, if you run out of meth when ure gunning ure car..then bye-bye engine..

 

I don't think your looking at the power gain you get from initial install (which on ours feels like a fair amount) it's the power you get back that the car looses under normal driving due to heat soak. ON the the track this is an absolute must. After using it on the track I don't understand how you could drive on a track without it. I've done some Acceleration data on our kit playing around with some different mixes and such and I've found 1/2 second difference (using a traqmate datalogger) in a 2nd gear pull from 20-60 mph just using different mixes of water/alcohol. With the kit turned off the intake temps sky rocket and the car feels down on power, It feels like it felt all the time before using the meth. The car now drives like it's 50 degrees out even in 100 degree weather. That's the power advantage. Can't wait to see what it feels like in the winter.

 

Im not tuned for meth and ive gained loads while on meth (13-15HP)...shows how much i was loosing before due to the SUPER HOT TEMPS of BRUNEI (avg. 34 deg C - all year long).

 

What mix did you find that works the best?

 

The aquamist kit is very consistent and IMO the most tunable. When the yellow light comes on the gauge indicating low meth levels I stop gunning it and drive like normal. You wont ''blow up'' your engine unless you deliberately are hard on it knowing your out of methanol. There is a flow meter in the aquamist kit that tells you if the kit is working 100% or not and a bar graph that lets you see the amount of flow. You dont need a tune for meth (although recommended) unless you are running too much meth. Flow is changed by changing the jet size. The aquamist comes with three jet sizes, easily interchangeable. I just took my mini over the Cascade mountain pass in WA for the first time with the new kit it ran perfectly with cool intake temps as if it were a cold day at sea level even after those long uphill 6000 feet passing lanes!

 

For coolest intake temps straight meth. Kinda figured that's what the conclusion would be.

 

What is the goal for adding a Meth Kit to your MINI?
What's your budget?
What other mods do you have?
Do you plan to run a tank in the boot or off a front tank?
What's weather like in your area?

 

I would like to respond to this also

1. I would like to either add a aftermarket IC or a Meth kit to extract more
power and to compensate for the extreme high temps in my area.

2. I would like to go no higher than $600-$700.

3. I have 16%-2% pullies, BV head, cam, 550's, header, cat-back, intake and a tune.

4. Dont know?

5. Well this week has averaged 105 deg.

 

Our customers running the progressive DO kit have found that the stock IC works as well if not better then the larger ones. A meth kit setup right (takes time to really dial them in) will help you with heat soak issues.

Mynes would also be able to really dial in the whole system with your Mods and ECU to make it work just right.

Many run off the headlight washer tank and find it to work well. For less refills the boot tanks are great too.

I think you would find a DO kit, run off the front tank, then tuned by Mynes to meet your needs and get it all done at or under budget. Then down the road you can add a rear tank if you find you need extra juice.

 

Alta has a new progressive kit out that is affordable and should be good for a DD.

PWI-2 Water Injection System

 

Good posts here. For me, a lot of it comes down to (1) budget, (2) what other mods you have, (3) tuning options available to you, (4) how you use the car (DD vs. trackrat) and (5) what kind of gains you're looking for.

Me, I have a moderately modded (15%, oneball, JCW intake, RMW header, RMW street cam, RMW tune) daily driver that sees occasional track days and some extreme mountain runs. I wanted a system that was relatively inexpensive, to help the car run on hot days more like it does on cold days, usable all the time on the street. The Devil's Own system fit the bill for me. If I had JIMINNI's car with his mods, I might go with a pulse-width based system (RMW) to get all the performance possible out of his head and other mods - but that would blow the budget.

There is functionally very little difference between the boost-progressive alky, snow, coolingmist and devil's own systems - mostly just price and some details on tanks, etc. All these can work significantly better than nothing - but if you're looking for maximum performance at the track (and Ian is) then the boost-controlled progressive systems don't enable the degree of tunability of the injector pulse width based systems with high-speed valves and continuous pressure pumps.

Soooo... for the OP's question - I'm a big DO fan now that DO and Dustin have MINI-specific kits - can't beat the bang for the buck. For JIMINNI's question - depends on whether you want to spend $300 or $900... though the Alta may be a good compromise...

 

It never ceases to amaze me that posters with no fCtual data to support their positions on product they have never used have all of the answers

I find it fascinating

 

Excellant post all .

I was afraid this would turn into another camp A vs camp B 10 yr old boys pissing contest like sooooo many here. Thanks to all for keeping this on track and edjucating me & others

Goal - more power

Budget - not unlimited but not afraid to spend what I have to to get what i want.

Mods already or will be b4 8-15-09 ( RMW tune happening then so I have a deadline to get it done b4 tune ) CAI, Borla cat back street, Mynes header, Newman cam, 15% pulley, 380 or 400 injectors. I was going to do a GRS IC but it sounds like I'll scratch that.

Prefer tank in the boot for less filling.

Live in Colorado so temps in summer are from 55 lows to high 90's relatively low humidity.


I am thinking the DO kit is the way to go but still need to look at some of the others.


Edit - use is mostly street with a few track day's thrown in.

 

Jan - so what is the inacurate/false information in the post? Also would you recommend your set up for DD purposes? I am trying to learn and if there is bad info I want to know - TIA




Another question for anyone - From what I am learning here today is that Meth injection is relatively safe both tuned for or not with the one exception that if your tune is for Meth set up then you do not want to be WOT if the Meth tank runs dry ?

What other risks, mechanically, need to be considered with Meth?

TIA

 

Here Here I have another question. Being I'm from "Kalifornia" I'm going to assume that, this isn't smog legal? So the injection site is always in the outlet IC horn? Looking at the pictures on the Alta system, the tube is plainly visable, can it be located under the horn as to be more stealthy?